ABF | Do we want tyson or someone else negotiating for us?

[Joe the plumber]

There he is Brothers Mr. Negative. Carry on the NMFA WHO, we are now the only company actually fulfilling the NMFA. And we are still contributing fully to the pension funds. yrc isn't even paying into some of the funds at all. I didn't hear joe talk about those funds that yrc isn't even in any more. So what are they going to carry on. Again he knows not what he is talking about. Just like his hero TURNCOAT he is a sell out at this time. We the ABF Teamsters will have the industry GOLD STANDARD AGREEMENT and he is jealous. We will be moving forward in 2013 not backwards and again he is jealous. He may have his pension affected and he is scared. And that's right he won't have a vote on the matter either. Maybe him and the TURNCOAT and sit on the sidelines and watch. YOUR DECIDING BROTHER ALWAYS!

Ya Spider-Monkey is my hero too. Bad mouthing Tyson is not good politics. Who in their right mind would want to go to bat for you IBT union hating people. Yes, ABF was the only company actually fulfilling the NMFA but McReynolds will be terminating it come March 31. If she is successful with the CBA as she is calling it..the NMFA will cease to exist. I'm counting on you boys to counter Judy so my pension checks keep coming. Hit her wit the hammer. Hit her right between the eyes for me

 

[Docker]

Prove you did not
Memorandum from Bill Zollars on Management's Salary Cuts | Teamsters for a Democratic Union
You calling Bill Zollars a liar?

You are getting desperate...aren't you...lol First of all...since you keep insisting that ABF participated in the predatory pricing...the proof is on you to back up your statement...but your major problem is that you can't because it never happened. So tell me...just why is it so important for you to keep spouting that lie? The major issue is why you keep insisting on making a fool of yourself by constantly lying about something that really has no bearing on anything in the first place...except for you of course...to keep re-enforcing your hatred of what a terrible company ABF is...plus somehow trying to blame the ABF Teamsters for that as well in that twisted mind of yours.That's how you try and justifying coming to disrupt our forum as a troll.You see...everyone else realizes that even if ABF did participate in the predatory pricing...so what...that's what companies do and the ABF Teamsters have nothing to do with that anyway.

I see that you made the statement asking if I'm calling Bill Zollars a liar...now that's funny...you talk about him like he's such a well respected...honorable and important man. He may be your hero Joe but to me he's just a douche bag that brought misery to all of your fellow YRC Teamsters.But I see that you even involved him in trying to deceive everyone here by him saying competitors...and even by your standards...you have to admit that's just pretty damn lame.

In conclusion...just another Joe Troll lie followed by deception again.

By the way...does Tyson have an overwhelming response so far for being wanted to represent us in our negotiations? Do you even have a clue as to why I keep mentioning the phrase "overwhelming response"?

 

[Joe the plumber]

You are getting desperate...aren't you...lol First of all...since you keep insisting that ABF participated in the predatory pricing...the proof is on you to back up your statement...but your major problem is that you can't because it never happened. So tell me...just why is it so important for you to keep spouting that lie? The major issue is why you keep insisting on making a fool of yourself by constantly lying about something that really has no bearing on anything in the first place...except for you of course...to keep re-enforcing your hatred of what a terrible company ABF is...plus somehow trying to blame the ABF Teamsters for that as well in that twisted mind of yours.That's how you try and justifying coming to disrupt our forum as a troll.You see...everyone else realizes that even if ABF did participate in the predatory pricing...so what...that's what companies do and the ABF Teamsters have nothing to do with that anyway.

I see that you made the statement asking if I'm calling Bill Zollars a liar...now that's funny...you talk about him like he's such a well respected...honorable and important man. He may be your hero Joe but to me he's just a douche bag that brought misery to all of your fellow YRC Teamsters.But I see that you even involved him in trying to deceive everyone here by him saying competitors...and even by your standards...you have to admit that's just pretty damn lame.

In conclusion...just another Joe Troll lie followed by deception again.

By the way...does Tyson have an overwhelming response so far for being wanted to represent us in our negotiations? Do you even have a clue as to why I keep mentioning the phrase "overwhelming response"?

You asked for proof. I gave you proof and you fall off a cliff as usual. What is it with being proved wrong that you can't deal with without coming back with deflection, distortion, nonsense. You speak of what a bad fellow Zollars was when your gal is looking to take your pension away as we speak. Sum ting wong wit yu? I doubt any IBT official actually wants to represent you in your negotiations. They are probably searching for volunteers. Forrest Gump..are you out there? Can you help us?

 

[Muler]

Ya Spider-Monkey is my hero too. Bad mouthing Tyson is not good politics. Who in their right mind would want to go to bat for you IBT union hating people. Yes, ABF was the only company actually fulfilling the NMFA but McReynolds will be terminating it come March 31. If she is successful with the CBA as she is calling it..the NMFA will cease to exist. I'm counting on you boys to counter Judy so my pension checks keep coming. Hit her wit the hammer. Hit her right between the eyes for me

Why weren't you asking your yrc Brothers to keep the NMFA going?

 

[Muler]

You asked for proof. I gave you proof and you fall off a cliff as usual. What is it with being proved wrong that you can't deal with without coming back with deflection, distortion, nonsense. You speak of what a bad fellow Zollars was when your gal is looking to take your pension away as we speak. Sum ting wong wit yu? I doubt any IBT official actually wants to represent you in your negotiations. They are probably searching for volunteers. Forrest Gump..are you out there? Can you help us?

At least we still have something the company wants. In the case of yrc tyson has already gave everything away. YOUR 100% TEAMSTER BROTHER ALWAYS!

 

[Docker]

You asked for proof. I gave you proof and you fall off a cliff as usual. What is it with being proved wrong that you can't deal with without coming back with deflection, distortion, nonsense. You speak of what a bad fellow Zollars was when your gal is looking to take your pension away as we speak. Sum ting wong wit yu? I doubt any IBT official actually wants to represent you in your negotiations. They are probably searching for volunteers. Forrest Gump..are you out there? Can you help us?

Yeah...you gave me proof alright...Joe Troll proof...lol

I'll tell you what Joe...the word is that Muler and that Docker guy are highly respected and admired by the retired Teamsters...so by your so called proof...that includes you since you are a retied Teamster...right?

Also...Judy trying to take our pension away is a far cry from your pal Billy actually taking your fellow YRC brothers pension away!

Funny you have mentioned Forrest Gump...I would rather have him negotiating our contract than Tyson any day...if you would of got the significance of that movie...you would of realized that everything Forrest was involved in turned out well...but that movie was probably far too complicated for you to fully understand all the accomplishments he achieved.

Just think if Forrest was at the helm of YRC instead of your pal Billy...

 

[Stoney]

Yeah...you gave me proof alright...Joe Troll proof...lol

I'll tell you what Joe...the word is that Muler and that Docker guy are highly respected and admired by the retired Teamsters...so by your so called proof...that includes you since you are a retied Teamster...right?

Also...Judy trying to take our pension away is a far cry from your pal Billy actually taking your fellow YRC brothers pension away!

Funny you have mentioned Forrest Gump...I would rather have him negotiating our contract than Tyson any day...if you would of got the significance of that movie...you would of realized that everything Forrest was involved in turned out well...but that movie was probably far too complicated for you to fully understand all the accomplishments he achieved.

Just think if Forrest was at the helm of YRC instead of your pal Billy...

Judy is taking our pensions!? Lets get the b***h! LOL!
Sorry, couldn't resist. My phone does the same thing.

 

[Docker]

Judy is taking our pensions!? Lets get the b***h! LOL!
Sorry, couldn't resist. My phone does the same thing.

I see what you mean Stoney...how dare she!!!!! It starts to make one think that she's more for the company than us Teamsters...lol

 

[truxforever]

Hey Docker remember this one (Teamsters, ABF Not In Concession Talks November 18, 2009 Statement By National Freight Director Tyson Johnson). It shows you how we were lied to by TJ.

Teamsters, ABF Not In Concession Talks | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

 

[Joe the plumber]

Yeah...you gave me proof alright...Joe Troll proof...lol

I'll tell you what Joe...the word is that Muler and that Docker guy are highly respected and admired by the retired Teamsters...so by your so called proof...that includes you since you are a retied Teamster...right?

Also...Judy trying to take our pension away is a far cry from your pal Billy actually taking your fellow YRC brothers pension away!

Funny you have mentioned Forrest Gump...I would rather have him negotiating our contract than Tyson any day...if you would of got the significance of that movie...you would of realized that everything Forrest was involved in turned out well...but that movie was probably far too complicated for you to fully understand all the accomplishments he achieved.

Just think if Forrest was at the helm of YRC instead of your pal Billy...

 

[slystone]

Tyson is a joke, as a matter of fact the Teamster union as a whole is a joke. They only have one more freight line to destroy and they will have that completed as soon as the contract negotiations are finalized. ABF will be expected to carry the full weight of the failing pension taking care of thousands of ex Teamsters that never even worked for ABF and at the same time ensuring its own employees will be around 80 years old before retirement would be possible. WAKE UP ABF EMPLOYEES, don't let the teamsters destroy your employer. The teamsters is run by good ole boys most of them have no more than a high school education especially at the local union level. I once was a proud member of the Teamsters union but although I am still a member I am ashamed of them now with their "brotha in law" "mob" mentality. ABF needs out of the so called multi employer pension or they are going to go out of business plain and simple. They cannot afford to pay for these ex-teamsters retirements and stay in business period! The funny thing is that 99% of you lazy ass Teamsters would not make it in the real world working at a non union freight line, you simply don't have the work ethics to do so so why wouldn't you want to help the company out and demand that the union ease up on ABFs pension obligations?

Your ashamed teamster brother!

 

[Muler]

Tyson is a joke, as a matter of fact the Teamster union as a whole is a joke. They only have one more freight line to destroy and they will have that completed as soon as the contract negotiations are finalized. ABF will be expected to carry the full weight of the failing pension taking care of thousands of ex Teamsters that never even worked for ABF and at the same time ensuring its own employees will be around 80 years old before retirement would be possible. WAKE UP ABF EMPLOYEES, don't let the teamsters destroy your employer. The teamsters is run by good ole boys most of them have no more than a high school education especially at the local union level. I once was a proud member of the Teamsters union but although I am still a member I am ashamed of them now with their "brotha in law" "mob" mentality. ABF needs out of the so called multi employer pension or they are going to go out of business plain and simple. They cannot afford to pay for these ex-teamsters retirements and stay in business period! The funny thing is that 99% of you lazy ass Teamsters would not make it in the real world working at a non union freight line, you simply don't have the work ethics to do so so why wouldn't you want to help the company out and demand that the union ease up on ABFs pension obligations?

Your ashamed teamster brother!

You are no Teamster. Tell us something about CSPF tell us all about what you know about the fund. How much did it make or did it lose last year? You wouldn't have a clue. You are just a wanna be trouble maker. But you don't have what it takes. You will soon be gone from this forum with your tail between your legs. YOUR GLAD YOU DON'T WORK AT ABF BROTHER ALWAYS!

 

[slystone]

You are no Teamster. Tell us something about CSPF tell us all about what you know about the fund. How much did it make or did it lose last year? You wouldn't have a clue. You are just a wanna be trouble maker. But you don't have what it takes. You will soon be gone from this forum with your tail between your legs. YOUR GLAD YOU DON'T WORK AT ABF BROTHER ALWAYS!

I am indeed a Teamster but at this point I want my company saved. What good is the Teamsters to me if the company does not survive? You have problems with ABF taking care of its own employees? Why would you think they are in any way obligated to take care of some guy that retired from CF 15 years ago? Guess I just don't get the whole socialist way of thinking.

 

[Muler]

I am indeed a Teamster but at this point I want my company saved. What good is the Teamsters to me if the company does not survive? You have problems with ABF taking care of its own employees? Why would you think they are in any way obligated to take care of some guy that retired from CF 15 years ago? Guess I just don't get the whole socialist way of thinking.

Have you ever stopped to think what some of the things that you could have coming if we don't handle this pension in the right way? Yelling f my Brother I have not met one I care about crap. ABF takes care of themselves. That is fine but they will be held to the task of taking care of their Teamsters.You talk of orphans and not taking care of them. How many of them do you think were with companies that ABF bought? We are not on here talking of breaking ABF we are here looking for ways to better ABF and the lives of our family's. So settle down. I am not a tyson fan either. I am also not a hoffa backer. But I am and will always be a Teamster fan. We have not destroyed those closed companies. their management did. because they could not deal with deregulation. But if you read and listen and interact we will get through this contract just fine. YOUR HOPING YOU RIDE ALONG BROTHER ALWAYS!

 

[slystone]

Have you ever stopped to think what some of the things that you could have coming if we don't handle this pension in the right way? Yelling f my Brother I have not met one I care about crap. ABF takes care of themselves. That is fine but they will be held to the task of taking care of their Teamsters.You talk of orphans and not taking care of them. How many of them do you think were with companies that ABF bought? We are not on here talking of breaking ABF we are here looking for ways to better ABF and the lives of our family's. So settle down. I am not a tyson fan either. I am also not a hoffa backer. But I am and will always be a Teamster fan. We have not destroyed those closed companies. their management did. because they could not deal with deregulation. But if you read and listen and interact we will get through this contract just fine. YOUR HOPING YOU RIDE ALONG BROTHER ALWAYS!

Point taken. I am pretty passionate about ABF, it has been a very good company to work for and I have had an enormous amount of help from the Teamsters to keep my job at ABF but I cannot help but be somewhat hostile towards at least the local here because we really do not have a voice, if you think, feel or express your opinion that may not be inline with the stewards and the locals ideas you have to worry about them "getting even" and it is a mob mentality, it is very MOB like so I have developed a hostility that I either will or wont get over. I also cannot stand our current SOCIALIST, ANTI AMERICAN, ANTI CONSTITUTION president that the Teamsters support nor the fact that they do not put enough resources into organizing other companies. So admittedly I feel separated from my union but I apologize for my fiery attitude with my first few posts. There are many facets to the pension problem and no easy answers, I have my opinion and I just cannot worry about orphans, their companies failed but I cannot have my company failing because of it. I would be willing to at least listen to what ABF might have to propose but my local is so hardlined in the way they think they don't even want to hear it. They are closed to any solution that ABF might offer, that is why I say they need to change their ways and maybe evolve a little. I am upset with my union.

 

[Joe the plumber]

Point taken. I also cannot stand our current SOCIALIST, ANTI AMERICAN, ANTI CONSTITUTION president that the Teamsters support nor the fact that they do not put enough resources into organizing other companies. So admittedly I feel separated from my union but I apologize for my fiery attitude with my first few posts. There are many facets to the pension problem and no easy answers, I have my opinion and I just cannot worry about orphans, their companies failed but I cannot have my company failing because of it. I would be willing to at least listen to what ABF might have to propose but my local is so hardlined in the way they think they don't even want to hear it. They are closed to any solution that ABF might offer, that is why I say they need to change their ways and maybe evolve a little. I am upset with my union.

Right on about the our current SOCIALIST, ANTI AMERICAN, ANTI CONSTITUTION president that the Teamsters support. You forgot anti-wealth. Not all teamsters support him. Imagine another four years of Obama. We're all in the gutter. His economic policies are the reason for the current state of affairs we are all faced with. The teamster union has nothing to do with it. The pension and union carriers were fine for decades until the great financial collapse made worse by Obama.

 

[Docker]

Hey Docker remember this one (Teamsters, ABF Not In Concession Talks November 18, 2009 Statement By National Freight Director Tyson Johnson). It shows you how we were lied to by TJ.

Teamsters, ABF Not In Concession Talks | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

I remember that very well Truxforever! That was the first of many lies told by Tyson when it came to the concessions. I can also recall how he stated in his conference call how he wasn't even going to enter talks with ABF unless he had an overwhelming response to do so from the ABF Teamsters...how he declared freight local unions from across the country overwhelmingly endorsed an economic relief plan before the meetings with the rank and file at the locals were even concluded.Remember this article?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=due%20to%20an%20overwhelming%20response%20from%20the%20abf%20teamsters&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamster.org%2Fsites%2Fteamster.org%2Ffiles%2FABFFreightNews42010bw.pdf&ei=G-85UIfdGMbY2gXckIHoCw&usg=AFQjCNFyJnUVefY6QVYppX0HcA5NoJ88cg&cad=rja

 

[Docker]

Right on about the our current SOCIALIST, ANTI AMERICAN, ANTI CONSTITUTION president that the Teamsters support. You forgot anti-wealth. Not all teamsters support him. Imagine another four years of Obama. We're all in the gutter. His economic policies are the reason for the current state of affairs we are all faced with. The teamster union has nothing to do with it. The pension and union carriers were fine for decades until the great financial collapse made worse by Obama

IMO...Joe is right about this one Slystone...there are many Teamsters that do not support Obama and I for one resented the fact that Jr. made the statement about us being Obama's Teamster army!

 

[Docker]

Is that Forrest speaking or you just trying to play tough guy again...lol

 

[Muler]

Point taken. I am pretty passionate about ABF, it has been a very good company to work for and I have had an enormous amount of help from the Teamsters to keep my job at ABF but I cannot help but be somewhat hostile towards at least the local here because we really do not have a voice, if you think, feel or express your opinion that may not be inline with the stewards and the locals ideas you have to worry about them "getting even" and it is a mob mentality, it is very MOB like so I have developed a hostility that I either will or wont get over. I also cannot stand our current SOCIALIST, ANTI AMERICAN, ANTI CONSTITUTION president that the Teamsters support nor the fact that they do not put enough resources into organizing other companies. So admittedly I feel separated from my union but I apologize for my fiery attitude with my first few posts. There are many facets to the pension problem and no easy answers, I have my opinion and I just cannot worry about orphans, their companies failed but I cannot have my company failing because of it. I would be willing to at least listen to what ABF might have to propose but my local is so hardlined in the way they think they don't even want to hear it. They are closed to any solution that ABF might offer, that is why I say they need to change their ways and maybe evolve a little. I am upset with my union.

Now there is a very good post(YOU HAD DOCKER AT ANTI CONSTITUTION) lol. We will decide what is best for us not the IBT. This is a new day my Brother. And as for your local not treating you right. If they are as bad as you say there are ways to work THRU them. Stay focused and stay strong. You have a support group here that have gone thru almost anything that you may face. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!