Donald Trump moving forward to stop insurance payments to Ocare recipients

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  1. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Do you mean the guy who spent several years trying to convince us that he was not affiliated with any particular party and was "Mr. Neutral"? All while ONLY bashing the Republicans and protecting the Democrats with every post. I wonder if he's figured out which bathroom he belongs in yet?
    :lmao:
     
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  2. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    That would be he....
     
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  3. Keepingon

    Keepingon Well-Known Member

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    Even better they spend years in med schools getting degrees and taking on a boatload of debt and pay people like my wife with her Bussiness degree to handle their money, run their practices and tell them what to do and what they are not allowed to do.:biglaugh:
     
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  4. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    If you were an big insurance company would you pay the doctors however much they billed you?
    You would know that no company pays what the doctors bill you.
    So how do you get comparison prices to know how much to pay?
    If you have buds running the other companys and they wish to share proprietary information with a competitors you might get lucky.
    I'm sure you send your spys out gabbing with the doctors billing departments,
    But the easyeist way is to ask Medicare for their official reimbursement schedule.
    Medicare doesn't pay the doctors a lot of money and your insurance company won't want to either..

    So medicare is the gold standard for reimbursements.
    And as I have said on here in the past you would be shocked to see just how little your insurance company pay for the services you received.
    The doctors and hospitals all reviewed the reimbursement schedules prior to arrangements accepting patients with that particular insurance.

    Just like trucking if you want to charge $3 a mile but the customers are only willing to pay $2 you have to decide if your willing to let your truck sit.
     
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  5. Keepingon

    Keepingon Well-Known Member

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    Beleive it or not most doctors have no idea how much they get paid for what procedure from which company. And most don't even know which insurance they participate with, they are the worst business people you could ever meet all their billing and contract negotiations are handled by back office people who just give the Doctors annual reports.
    And with some insurance companies doctors get paid more by not participating in their networks, Blue Cross for example pays 3 times as much if you don't participate in their network but they make the checks payable to the patient and you have to get it from the Patient which doesn't always go well.
    One of the many reasons I say the healthcare system needs much fixing before it becomes affordable and be provided for all.
     
  6. AzPilot

    AzPilot Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, our healthcare system is either going to have to be heavily regulated with fixed price caps for everything or we go with universal care. The free market competition utopia that some think will make healthcare affordable is not going to work.
     
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  7. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    First we need to try a real "free market" solution, and keep the govt. out of it.
    The free market works every time it's tried, as long as the govt. stays out.

    Did the govt. invent the internet, vehicle technology, cell phones, printers, appliances, or anything else? No, the free market did. When the Govt. gets involved, things go to crap and the prices sky-rocket.
     
  8. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Why not?
    You shop around for car insurance, life insurance, groceries, etc.....
    Why not health insurance?

    Do only rich people have smart phones?
    No competition lowered the price
    Do only rich people have big screen Tvs?
    No completion lowered the price now you can get what was $10000 a decade ago for a coup,e f hundred bucks
    Govt did not do this competition did
     
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  9. AzPilot

    AzPilot Well-Known Member

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    I will agree with both of you that "free market" works in most other industries to lower costs but healthcare is a different animal and it's costs have continued to rise through out the years despite competition. People keep talking about selling insurance across state lines,if insurance companies thought they could make more money doing that they would have heavily lobbied for that, the truth is they have little interest in doing that. Differing state laws regarding health insurance are something they don't want to deal with.
     
  10. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Paying $50.00 for a band aid to make up for those who get medical services, but don't pay their bill is the problem.
    So why are we so stupid that we even add non-citizens into the equation?
    It defies common sense.
     
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    The costs go down immediately after you eliminate preexisting conditions. And never goes down until you do.
     

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