Electronic Logs - When???

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  1. jdk1600

    jdk1600 Member

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    When are we switching to electronic logs?
     
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    a9faninnc Super Moderator Staff Member

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    The Federal mandate is Dec 16,2017...
     
  3. sppollock

    sppollock Active Member

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    So knowing UPS Freight that means we should see it somewhere around December 15th...
     
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    Thanks and probably...
     
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    toilet paper Well-Known Member

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    I've saw 1 driver carrying the ELD it's a galaxy S3 cell phone.
     
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  7. Dracula

    Dracula Well-Known Member

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    The electronic log is nothing compared to the headache, when they start installing forward and rearward cameras to monitor what goes on in the cab. It's coming.
     
  8. Yellowpride

    Yellowpride Brown Now!

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    You are correct.It will be a Samsung Galaxy. Freight is getting the "New" IVIS before small pack.Freights will be for logging purposes only initially.There will be a cradle in all tractors for charging and recording vehicle information.
     
  9. Yellowpride

    Yellowpride Brown Now!

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    You're wrong.What many think is a forward facing camera is actually the lane departure warning system.No cameras in small pack.
     
  10. Dracula

    Dracula Well-Known Member

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    That's how it starts and it's all about the cost of insurance. My company did the same thing. Lane departure warning systems morphs into lane departure and forward facing radar, which is tied into the braking system, and will activate your brakes, when your vehicle violates a distance cushion calculated by someone, in the insurance and safety department. who probably has never driven a truck or made a delivery, all for the sake of driver and public safety, so the company says. If small pack trucks are tied into the net, you can bet that a report is generated listing how many lane departures, how many radar activated braking incidents have occurred, and , of course, all this information is for the good of the driver and the public. You can suggest that your current contract doesn't allow the company to use this information but what about the next contract? The company will offer you a carrot and a little bit of a stick because they know that there is no way you guys will strike over this. Even, if small pack isn't tied into the net, the forward facing radar will brake trying to maintain a safety standard of six seconds of following distance. When your travel time goes up, do you think that your stops per day will be decreased? Dream on. Then comes the forward facing cameras to help protect the driver and the company, in case of an accident, which morphs into forward and rearward facing cameras, with audio, to help catch drivers that inadvertently aren't complying with company driving policy and "coach " them and, by the way, have them sign a coaching document that goes into their personal file. The next contract. Of course, all this depends on the truck being wired to transmit data. Ah ha, we've got you there, we use handhelds. Give this idea a thought. Anything a handheld can do, a wired in truck info system can do, and a wired in system can do so much tattletale more than a handheld, and you don't have to worry about a driver losing one. Wait, the cost, UPS will never spend the money. UPS just spent several billion dollars to get out of Central States Pension Fund, a wise move to stabilize company expenses for years to come. My company is nowhere near the size of UPS yet they ponied up to retrofit our tractors with these systems. It's all about the money. The old expression, "money talks and :horseshit: walks" is true. Which side do you think UPS will end up on?
     
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  11. Yellowpride

    Yellowpride Brown Now!

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    Small pack tractors already record everything. Speed, braking, cruise control use, idle time you name it. They also have forward collision warning and braking if necessary. Adaptive cruise control as well. None of which can be used to discipline a driver. It's in our contract. Now, it can be used in the results of an accident. You say you were only doing 55 mph and slowing down before an accident and the telematics show 65 and accelerating, they can use that.

    Cameras are not going to happen. It can exonerate as well as incriminate the company. Not to mention the union would fight it.
     
  12. Dracula

    Dracula Well-Known Member

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    If I understand the current situation on small pack, you already have the vehicle wired to accumulate data. I'm guessing that UPS already uploads the vehicle information in real time. Your union contract allows the company to use the accumulated truck data, in the event of an accident ,probably just before they throw the driver under the bus. Your contract says that the information can't be used in a preactive or interactive manner, as a form of discipline. Why then is UPS going to use the Teletrac system,a preactive, interactive, and postactive system? This snippet from the website says it all.
    http://www.teletracnavman.com/gps-tracking-benefits/safer-fleets
    Avoid fines and improve profitability
    ...Improving safe driving habits
    has positive effects far beyond the road. DIRECTOR provides behavior trend monitoring and scoring that decrease the likelihood of fines, improve profitability, and generate positive word-of-mouth about the company. DIRECTOR’s safety software reduces the risk of accidents, injuries and vehicle damage while helping managers validate the behavior of good drivers. It’s a smart and safe investment in your fleet
    ....

    According to your current contract, the data can not be used to discipline a driver yet the description of the incoming software clearly lays out that this software accumulates,compiles, and rates drivers data to enable managers to validate the behavior of good drivers. Question, if the UPS Safety Department could use this data to discipline drivers, what will they do to drivers showing bad driving behavior, give them a participation trophy? Don't think so. Your current union contract says no discipline but isn't your contract up in 2018?

    https://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/ups-highlights_new_0.pdf
    ARTICLE 6:
    No employee will be discharged based solely on
    information received from GPS or any successor
    system unless the person intentionally defrauds
    the company. This is a change – last contract the
    company was prohibited from discharging anyone
    on a first offense based on GPS. Now it is a
    prohibition against discharge regardless of
    whether it is a first offense or not, except in cases
    of intentional fraud.

    Drip, drip, drip. Discharge went from never to yes, and you guys signed off on it. Didn't the last contract open the door to a new pension accrual method and you guys signed off on it. If the union didn't draw a line in the sand over these issues, I doubt that the union is going to strike over driver discipline from accumulated truck data and once you open that door, the cameras are next.
     
  13. Yellowpride

    Yellowpride Brown Now!

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    Mr. Dracula,

    You are obviously looking for an argument from me in which you are not going to get. You are wrong on some of your points since it's obvious you do not work for, or know, the inter workings of small pack.

    If you would like to speculate on what will or will not happen, you are free to do that since it is exactly that, speculation. I am a Feeder driver in small pack obviously, so I can comment on what I know. We've had tractor data acquisition for years. NO ONE, at my hub, has been discharged over it, EXCEPT, in cases of fraud. The company even goes as far as letting the driver know to "knock it off". Now, should the driver continue in his or her ways, they will get what's coming down the pike since they were given a heads up and continued with their actions.

    I browse these trucking forums occasionally to see what the " word on the street is". I happened to browse my way into here and commented on what I know is factual. When the subject of future cameras being placed in the equipment came up, I speculated that " no we would not get them". I should not have written that. If and when we do, I'll come back here and let you know. Until then, be thankful you are not a small pack Feeder driver. Take care and be safe out there.

    Respectfully,
    Brown Now
     
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    No argument here. All I can tell you is what I know, the sequence, and the reasoning that my company used to sell it. Some drivers are good with having it and some drivers hate it but it is the law of the land and those who don't are free to seek employment elsewhere. Small pack feeder or LTL Linehaul, we all have our crosses to bear. Take care and be safe.
     
  15. Overnite

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    I was told I'm getting them installed in June
     
  16. jdk1600

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    I'm not worried about anything they put in the tractors. I do my job safely. If something happens that's out of my control, that's life. I run my own camera when I drive as well. Besides, that's what lawyers are for. And this isn't the only trucking job out there.
     
  17. roaddriverPEN

    roaddriverPEN New Member

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    we have been using them in pennsuaken nj for 2 months
     
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