Friendly Reminder Dem Debate Tonight Saturday @ 8:00

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  1. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Cruz is running on the Constitution. Ending many bureaucracies, ending most Exec Orders, returning spending to Congress, not Bureaus, and returning much governing to the individuals and the States. And returning to a Sound Money Policy. Its a tall order, but it needs done or we collapse.
     
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  2. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    we were warned
    George Washington warned up in the 1790's we did not listen

    that is what happens when you have a 70,000 page plus tax code
    Fair tax, put your entire return on a postcard
    wont happen because the power to tax is power

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    (10 planks of communism)


    never even hear the Constitution mentioned by the left
    (hear more about #2 from the 10 planks of Communism)

    Sure he can, Barry ignores congress and they let him, maybe Cruz can ignore them as well
    (of course we wont and don't worry, congress would find their "Constitutional" authority if Cruz wins)

    Hope and Change
    millions put their "hope" in a communist liberal progressive (wonder if that lady had to pay her mortgage or pay for gas?)
     
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  3. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Even if Cruz tried and failed, he'd still be one step above Obama and Hillary. Obama has already proven that he will always govern against the best interests of the people, and Hillary has admitted that she walks in lockstep with him.
     
  4. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Then what else do we judge them on? How many rocks they've thrown through windows? How many violent protests they've been involved in? If they've had friendships with domestic terrorists? If their preacher spews hatred toward America?
     
  5. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    She must have been all gassed up. lol
     
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  6. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    That would make him the same.........
     
  7. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    I understand that.........My point was...and is, that in spite of their voting records.....there is a big difference between being a President and a Senator...and how they will "lead" can be very different from what their past voting record was....... but I do understand voting records and the "promises" made in a campaign are a big part in making a "choice" (if one actually believes there is a choice).......but, perhaps even more important is to be able distinguish who they are representing with their votes........and who benefits most from their votes...... Us.....working class Americans.......or the Wealthy Class and Big Corporations...... "Main street" (Remember that one?) or Wall Street......... or the Military/Industrial Complex......... or the "average joe"...like you and I?....

    I think we both can see that the average American citizen isn't very well represented in todays Political System.....and I don't see that changing anytime soon.........
     
  8. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    No one is listening today either.....No one is even sounding the warning.....We have a bunch of Politicians pushing for Power and their agendas of those that back them with money..... Your "vote" really doesn't matter..... Whomever "wins" the "election" will play ball with those that actually control them.... So in that perspective the "vote" is just an Illusion of "choice"... to keep the population at bay, thinking that they can actually effect change for the common citizen towards the better....


    I agree with you.....The current tax code is far more complex than it needs to be..... However, there will never be a "fair tax"...no matter how you might define that..... and the reasons are...one as you mentioned....the power....The IRS is very powerful and those with power do not give it up willingly nor easy......and secondly... the current system benefits the ultra-wealthy and Huge Multi-National Corporations.....If it didn't .....it would have been changed and simplified long ago........

    Never hear about the Constitution from the "Right" either, unless they think they can use it to make people believe that it actually matters to them.... Instead of being worried about "communism" or Marxism....you should be more concerned about Fascism.....Nazi style..... The National Socialist German Workers' Party, which was commonly known as the Nazi Party, was formed during the post World War 1 era, and it was anti-Marxist.....and advocated extreme nationalism........ Sound familiar?......

    Every President has used "executive orders" .....I'm sure a "President Cruz" will use plenty of them...probably more than Obama has.... One thing you can be assured of is.... He will not "lead" to the betterment of the Middle and lower Class citizens............ I know...I know .. you think he will make it all great...if he "wins"...... Time will be the judge of that..... I hope you're correct......but I'm not placing my faith and hope in him..... as I previously mentioned....

    Yes they did....and Millions are also going to place their "Hope and change" in a far right-wing Politician......IF they win.......People will still be left with difficult choices........ perhaps even more so for many.....

    Personally I don't think there is such a thing as a "win" for the American people....... Republican win or not.......
     
  9. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    I thought the Prez represent All? Not just the working people. Cruz is running on the Constitution. Power and responsibility goes to and comes from the Individuals and the states. That's not Socialism, Central Power and Control, like you desire. We Were a Constitutional Republic, until Lincoln incorporated the USA as Central, and Wilson implanted Marxism into our everything from government to education.
     
  10. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    that is not true, Cruz and Paul bring it up all the time
    (?I know their crazy)
    I am perfectly aware of the rise of the Nazi party and Fascism in general
    Once again only seemed "far right" because they were to the right of the extreme left, both were socialist

    How do you know
    What has Barry done for the benefit of the middle and lower class, absolutely nothing
    Corp profits at record highs real wages for the middle class down prices of everything up (yet we have no inflation hum)
    Too many people believe the BS that the Dem party stands for the middle/working class, it is an absolute lie. They are more in bed with Wall Street.

    he only seems "far right" because you have all moved to the extremely far left.

    sure there is, a convention of the states, Constitution rewritten with the proper provisions for term limits and a renewed clear definition of the separation of powers
    Then trials for our current group of traitors.
     
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  11. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    I can see it with my own eyes Bubba...you put it in great contex
     
  12. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Friendly Reminder to do your Christmas shopping today, stores will be closed tomorrow.

    And to all Happy Federal Holidays!:wavey:
     
  13. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Why is anything closed
    Isnt Christmas a Christian holiday, should not everything be open after all we are not a Christian nation

    That said


    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
     
  14. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    It's a Federal Holiday:woot2::guiness:
     
  15. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    .....lol....Mags

    Merry Christmas everyone.
     
  16. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Yes they do.....They both want you believe that it actually means something to them.....That's why they invoke the Constitution because they know it plays to the base that supports them...... That is what you want to hear, so they are telling you want you want to hear...... Reality will likely be a different story....... much as we have seen over the years from other Politicians and their campaign "Promises"......
    If you believe that they are actually going to bring good changes to the common citizens....then by all means give them your "vote".......


    Exactly........ Compare Wall Street to "Main Street"...... We both know who has benefited from the so called "Recovery" the most.......
    The Democratic Party at one time....long ago was more for the working people......not totally, but more so than today...... By the same token, the Republican Party, is also far from standing for the average American...... If a person doesn't support the Democratic Party candidates because they don't stand for average Americans.....they shouldn't be supporting the Republican Party Candidates for the same reason.......
    Both Parties don't represent the average American citizens.......and neither will do much to improve things for "Main Street"........Both are Corporate owned......and the few who haven't been purchased yet are to few to do anything to have an impact....


    He (Sanders) only seems "far left" because you have all moved to the extremely far "Right"......... See how that works.....it's a matter of perspective .

    (I used Sanders as an example because he is farther to the left than most other Democrats)


    We both know that isn't going to happen........ but if you want to dream......Dream big!

    I think we both know that there isn't going to be any big "wins" for us.....the average American citizen.........
     
  17. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean by "not just the working people"?..... Where is the representation of the "working people" ..... Compare Wall Street to "Main Street" and see who gets the most "representation".... it most assuredly isn't the "working people".....nor is it the Retiree's who just had their benefits cut substantially.....while the Uber wealthy and Corporate CEO's continue to get huge increases in pay and other benefits and bonuses.....
    Do you think that Obama represents you?

    Of course he is.....because he knows that is what his base wants to hear........ He knows people like you will believe that and lend your support and "vote"........ Dennis Kucinich also ran for President on the Constitution.........he made it a point to carry a copy with him all the time...... Do you think he would have followed through and made this Nation in the image that you envision? Of course not.........and neither will Cruz.. assuming he even gets "elected"...

    If Power and responsibility were only left to the States.....We wouldn't have the "United States of America"....we would have 50 separate Nations .... Last time some States decided to be their own country.....things didn't go so well......


    The "United States" is a nation.....and as such it must have a Central, or federal Government.....and not just for "wars"...... A Nation should be looking to take care of the needs of society to keep it cohesive..... and yes the States do have a role to play in the larger framework that makes up the "United States".........That isn't the "Socialism" you like to imply....... IF you think that an "every State for themselves" is a preferred way...then that's your opinion......fine........ .. No one is advocating for a totally Socialist society here similar to that of the former Soviet Union......and that is what you imply....... We both know that isn't an answer to the issues......

    We also both know that this Nation isn't ever going to be like what, you or I, envision that it should......... It doesn't matter who is President nor which Party is pulling the strings....It's to late for trying to "elect" our way to a Nation that will serve and benefit the Majority of Americans......It is what it is...and we are along for the ride........It doesn't really matter about Lincoln or Wilson...or whomever at this point in time..............
     
  18. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    They want control of everything pilot ...pure and simple
     
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  19. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    The United States ARE a Republic of 50 different governments. You must have been absent the day they taught that in Civics class...
     
  20. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    He was on drugs in those early days... before medical school.
     

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