Jack Holmes does the country!

Discussion in 'UPS Freight' started by KGB 18, Dec 21, 2007.

  1. KGB 18

    KGB 18 Active Member

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    We are either in this together or not. If you are not part of the union then you are not part of the whole. You are an individual and no one will have your back. Having someone looking out for you is the strength of the union. That is what we need. I can not stand up to UPS on my own, but as a group we can.
     
  2. HillBilly Frog

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    TX_jarhead welcome to truckingboards. Good to have you with us.
    Wow is right. Heck of a 1st post. Sounds like the voice of experience speaking.
     
  3. Overnite

    Overnite Active Member

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    leadmen can't disiciplne.
     
  4. boats

    boats Member

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    Welcome to the boards TX jarhead. Great first post.
     
  5. Overnite

    Overnite Active Member

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    Everyone who is pro union should take note
    this is how you persuade someone to vote yes, very well put.

    I know I will lose money if we vote yes, but I also know I Could lose even more if I vote no.
     
  6. teamster elvis

    teamster elvis Well-Known Member

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    You are going to be a tough nut to crack. You have protected your own little space for so long that you can't grasp the concept of a brotherhood. There is no "I" in team. This is going to be about the betterment of the collective group. You will catch on, in time. This will be a learning experience for all that have not worked in a union environment. I say bring it on!!!!!! Elvis out....
     
  7. wassesname

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    there is a 'me' in team if you look at it backwards and ignore half of it.
     
  8. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

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    First of all you should try using your head, you are willing to take the cheap ins. which you currently have in the contract but you are afraid your contribution per week will go up.

    Well I do not know about you, but if I were to except the INS. indy has in comparison to what is being offered now, we would go broke in the north, it barely pays for anything.

    Pay out 15% with an out of pocket expense of $2000.00 for a surgery, that suck's and then to boot have to pay $150.00 a week to boot for a family.

    I currently have an ins. plan that I pay 130.00 for now, ( just the health ins. mind you) and it covers everything, if they can afford this nonunion, they can afford it union.

    And there is no ambiguity in that statement.
     
  9. MFASU

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    Emptypockets,

    I agree that this is not a bad first time contract and I certainly beleive that we do not want to try and exsist with UPS without representation.
    I have a question off the cuff. Do you know R. McCardle? I heard that blow hard is now a supervisor, could this be true?
     
  10. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

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    Overnite, I apoligize for this, ever scince you have come on , you have contridicted youself and spoke of things you knew nothing about, we do not want to fight and argue and get you too become something you do not want to be, alot of us on this board have been here for some time, we have all been getting along and has searched for credibility in each statement that we have posted. And have also weighed the pro's and con's of making such a move.

    I have also tried to be nice and you have attacked me and on a regular basis tell us we are biast for the union, I apoligize if you do not see what we are willing to give up for a positive future. I get the impression you think we are idiots sometimes, I can assure you I am not, My wife is an economist, she is not stupid iether.

    Appearantly, paying for your health ins. and loosing a 401 is a big issue for you, well it is not a big issue for us considering the returns of voting union is much greater.It is also a fact of life that INS. goes up on a regular basis, it is only a matter of time before the contracted people loose what solidarity they have in ins.

    So please some of us is trying to bring you too the light, it is just a question of one seeing it. And if you cannot, do not attack us for being opposed to your thoughts please.
     
  11. MFASU

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    Accel, agreed. We do not need a bunch of personal shots becasue this does not benefit anyone. You made a very good point, step back and take a look at the future. We will be the highest paid in the industry, why? Because UPS wants this as part of their brand and the preception they are be best Company to work for in the world. We do not want to work for UPS w/o representation, why? You have seen some rule changes, but the real deal is the structure of the management. It will not be the good ole boy net work where if you do not like what the manager says you call Richmond and it changes. UPS does not care, they have a playbook and EVERYONE will go by that play book, Mgmt, hourly, mileage does not matter. If they give a concession then watchout becasue they will want something in return. This is their world and they are moving us all toward the organization as this is part of the deal that was orginally cut with Hoffa.

    I can certainly understand wanting the best deal for you and yours, this is what I am wanting too; however if everything has to line up perfect then that person will not be happy with or without the union. Every sittuation will not work out for you. Senority is the cornerstone of the the union; however this core beleif does not always work in the favor of everyone and every time.
     
  12. UPS Teamster

    UPS Teamster Goodbye Middle Class

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    I know him and (sigh) yes its true.:butt kiss:
     
  13. MFASU

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    Unbeleivable!! Good luck to all the employees in the metroplex in 2008.
     
  14. Overnite

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    Where did I contradict my self? Can you show me where I attacked you? I am not saying I didn't, but 99% of the time I don't lash out unless I am attacked first.

    There are idiots on here, look at the thread about ins. cost, most of those people don't know what there paying and they didn't know UPS pays for most of the cost of ins. in some cases.

    The only people I am against are the ones that come on here and tell everyone to vote the teamsters in becuase we all get better pay and benefits. Which is not true, will most people benefit from the teamsters, I think so, I understand that.

    If I were to vote yes (which I have not deceided one way or the other), I would be in the situation like that guy in the old war movies who has to shut the door and drowned himself to keep the ship afloat

    I have respect for anyone who comes on here and wants to debate others and stays truthful, as you do.
     
  15. Bigarms

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    dont be stupid

    losing the 401k match is a big issue. i for 1 as a 15 yr employee think so.
     
  16. MFASU

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    401K is a big issue and an even larger one is group insurance and what we will have to pay. UPS went to Hoffa with two things 1) we want out of the Central States pension or 2) we want to reduce our cost on the medical benifits. Hoffa knew he could not sell the medical reduction and thus UPS is now going to be out of the Central States which is going to be good for all of us future teamsters. Now, I want to get the organization thing going so we can lend oud weight to the medical issue by the next contract. This is one thing we do not need to give up whether we have 1,10,20 years as this is a big deal. UPS is diluting the 401K because they want everything backed up by their stock, which is not really a good thing for the employee unless the stock splits. Those of us with only 5 years left this is not a good deal, but still will not keep me from signng a card, because i am looking for what will need to be done my last five years and contracts well beyond that. Pension is another thing that needs to be that about.
     
  17. KGB 18

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    Just remenber that if your terminal does join the union. Be sure to elect the best guys as stewards. Men who will not be bought out by favors and are willing to go the whole 9 yards for the members. A manager who knows the steward will not bend, will think twice before he pulls any crap, because he will have to answer for it at a grievance hearing. All managers will be forced to explain there actions in an open hearing on the record. The union is a powerful shield for all to protect our rights.
     
  18. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

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    I can respect that, and I am being positive about this, and I am not about to point out anything please, I wish not to go that route, instead can we be freindly posters please?

    And if at any other time I offend you, unless I tell you I am offending you, please feel free to PM me and I will clarify whatever offending statement I have made, I can assure you this is not my intention.
     
  19. accelerator

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    Well for some people it is a big issue, I do not disagree, but one must remember, UPS is paying into a pention as well , so the contribution too the 401K is not a big issue to the company as a whole, considering there is only, what ? 40% of the company contributing, 23-25% of this 40% is in other then dock and driver.

    If I am wrong, please correct me, I have the figures somewhere, I do not think I am too far off coarse.
     
  20. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

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    That is the key.................
     

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