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crazy said:
Just a stupid Question:smilie_132:..You think it was alright that 1000's of teamsters lost there jobs because of deregulation??what you don't see is the BIG picture.. Every year our membership[freight teamsters]goes down,sure the IBT gets a few new members here and there but they are not putting into OUR pension fund and they will most likely get the same medical as we have even if the contributions are a little less.Here is question number 2 :smilie_132: What shape do you think our pension and welfare will be in say 10 years from now???As far as walmart goes it seems you don't have a clue:chairshot: but this is not the forum for that discussion...
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Ye I know 1000's of teamster jobs were lost, but they found work didn't they. Yuor missing the big picture. You talk only about teamster jobs, I was refering to the trucking industry in a whole. I want government out of my life and trucking, and deregulation atleast got them out of trucking for the most part. I see you didn't respond to what it was like for the trucking companies before deregualtion. But I guess thats ok with you, just as long as you get your check right? Who cares about the stupid laws and price fixing going on.
As far as m pension, I'm doing what my grandpa did. He retired from Yellow in 81. That pension was his backup retirement or bonus if you will. He saved and invested his own money. Paid cash for everything. Today his take home check is only $800 a month. But you wouldn't know it by the way he lives.
And you know what, the teamster jobs are not the only jobs are noth the only jobs in town. There are plenty of people working and retiring everyday that are not teamster.
 
And just a question. Everybody always talks about how Walmart put all the ma and pops out of business. Makes it sound like they put a little tiny general store out of business. But the truth is, that in most places the ma and pop is a store like Safeway, Albertsons, Kroger and such. Last I checked these are pretty big operations. Walmart just had a better business plan.
ABF, Roadway, Yellow are pretty big businesses just like Walmart. Why arn't we complaining that these companies are putting smaller trucking companies out business? Because we have more money and can withstand the higher fuel prices.

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Great point....:1036316054:
 
mad trucker said:
I agree about the G bush economy! and yes it does suck. We need a president that says America first. our people first. our lives first!

Don't get me wrong. I support the needy, the suppressed . But we are sending out more money to foreign countries , and nothing for the poor in this country.

Here is one example . In my paper I read an illegal girl from south of the border needed a liver transplant . The first 4 did not take. They are doing another . For free to her. To you or me. We have tax paying people with health care coverage that get denied , have no money to pay for that operation and die.

Yes we need a revolution . Our country first. We need a president to tell big business to put there co plants back in America . Or we put higher tariffs, higher taxes on them. Lets take back America.
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The thing that is really stupid about all the illegals getting free health care is that it costs about 1/10th for the same treatments in Mexico. We should start the Illegal Health Care Network. Apply in the US after proving you've been here illegally for 30 days. You must return to Mexico for service though!!!
 
stoneyABF said:
Ye I know 1000's of teamster jobs were lost, but they found work didn't they. Yuor missing the big picture. You talk only about teamster jobs, I was refering to the trucking industry in a whole. I want government out of my life and trucking, and deregulation atleast got them out of trucking for the most part. I see you didn't respond to what it was like for the trucking companies before deregualtion. But I guess thats ok with you, just as long as you get your check right? Who cares about the stupid laws and price fixing going on.
As far as m pension, I'm doing what my grandpa did. He retired from Yellow in 81. That pension was his backup retirement or bonus if you will. He saved and invested his own money. Paid cash for everything. Today his take home check is only $800 a month. But you wouldn't know it by the way he lives.
And you know what, the teamster jobs are not the only jobs are noth the only jobs in town. There are plenty of people working and retiring everyday that are not teamster.
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Trucking before deregulation was was when the companies sold service because every one basicly had the same pricing. Old man Hoffa wanted to have everyone under the nmfa so everyone was equal.I remember it well truck drivers had respect then and after deregulation is when all the riffraff got in Anyone and everyone whet out and bought a truck and it has been a free for all ever since..I am glad to see your granpa was won of the lucky ones to be able to hold on to a decent job and secure a pension..I know I don't think the gov should be in any one's business but there has to be some exceptions Trucking is one of them ..financial markets are another.Look around and you will see that everything the gov has deregulated over the past twenty five years or so has turned in to crap..I guess you don't think the gov should have tried to stop the escalating prices of oil maybe if they had,the economy wouldn't be in a freefall right now and we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.:smilie_132:
 
I agree with you Crazy. The statement that were in a free fall. That has people scared and not going out and spending. So freight is slow and at this time of year it's not good.I would like to see some leveling out of prices of fuel and basic goods but I see no end in the immedate future which will lead to more of less spending.
 
stoneyABF said:
Actually, yes I think deregulation was great for the trucking industry. Yes I know thousands of union jobs were lost but it got the government out of trucking, at least as far as pricing and such. Before a trucking company only had rights to run loaded in one direction but had to come back empty. Example: ABF could run a load from Ft. Smith to say Denver. But had to run empty back because they didn't have rights to run east from Denver. How stupid was that?
And companies could finally compete with each other on pricing. An open market.
And just a question. Everybody always talks about how Walmart put all the ma and pops out of business. Makes it sound like they put a little tiny general store out of business. But the truth is, that in most places the ma and pop is a store like Safeway, Albertsons, Kroger and such. Last I checked these are pretty big operations. Walmart just had a better business plan.
ABF, Roadway, Yellow are pretty big businesses just like Walmart. Why arn't we complaining that these companies are putting smaller trucking companies out business? Because we have more money and can withstand the higher fuel prices. And yes I vote
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Its not so much that Walmart is putting smaller mom and pops out of business,but rather the fact that with their size and market share they have too much influence to bully manufacturers to move operations to lower cost countries. Walmart tells manufacturers they must sign exclusive contracts with them and only carry their products in walmart stores.You say unemployment is 5.1 % but that doesnt tell the whole picture. Many people now are UNDEREMPLOYED and their standard of living has dropped . Its not just walmart, General Motors threaten its unions with accepting whatever they are offing or we"ll move manufacturing plants overseas. So maybe we should just set our standard of living to the prevailing rate of whatever sweatshop infested country were importing from. A TEAMSTER SHOULD CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE AMERICAN WORKER.
 
our govt loves to collect too much tax money off us, we don't have the quality of life as we used to have and the govt demands more from us, that's what's really happening, our government is screwing us
 
crazy said:
Trucking before deregulation was was when the companies sold service because every one basicly had the same pricing. Old man Hoffa wanted to have everyone under the nmfa so everyone was equal.I remember it well truck drivers had respect then and after deregulation is when all the riffraff got in Anyone and everyone whet out and bought a truck and it has been a free for all ever since..I am glad to see your granpa was won of the lucky ones to be able to hold on to a decent job and secure a pension..I know I don't think the gov should be in any one's business but there has to be some exceptions Trucking is one of them ..financial markets are another.Look around and you will see that everything the gov has deregulated over the past twenty five years or so has turned in to crap..I guess you don't think the gov should have tried to stop the escalating prices of oil maybe if they had,the economy wouldn't be in a freefall right now and we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.:smilie_132:
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Look with all do respect, you can't say that government shouldn't be in anyone's business then say with some exceptions.
If they step in and regulate trucking again, then we would be waiting and complaining for the government to raise shipping rates. Because we won't get a raise till they raise rates. And what finiacial markets are you talking about? Government should have 0% involvment in any part of the market. Name one program that the government has done that is worth a damn.
I hate the word equal. Egual or fair are words that socialized governments used. Now I'm saying your a socialist. I know your not. You are probably a great guy, and a good American. But trucking is no differnet than any other business. Deregulation made it possible for the cost of products to come down because of competition from trucking companies. Now whats wrong with that? How is that un-American?
For the record the ecomomy is not in a free fall. It does what it always does. It goes up and it goes down. It's not Bushs fault. Too many people bought houses when they shouldn't have, same with owner operaters in trucking. Oil prices are set by supply and demand. How is government suppose to regulate oil prices? They can't and shouldn't. I don't care what these 3 clowns running for president say. Everyone is watching too much tv and believing the news about recession or mortgage crisis or oil crises. They always make it sound worst than it really is.
What has government deregulated and turn to crap? It seems to me everything the government puts there hands on turns to crap. At least finiacially.
 
cessnakat said:
Its not so much that Walmart is putting smaller mom and pops out of business,but rather the fact that with their size and market share they have too much influence to bully manufacturers to move operations to lower cost countries. Walmart tells manufacturers they must sign exclusive contracts with them and only carry their products in walmart stores.You say unemployment is 5.1 % but that doesnt tell the whole picture. Many people now are UNDEREMPLOYED and their standard of living has dropped . Its not just walmart, General Motors threaten its unions with accepting whatever they are offing or we"ll move manufacturing plants overseas. So maybe we should just set our standard of living to the prevailing rate of whatever sweatshop infested country were importing from. A TEAMSTER SHOULD CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE AMERICAN WORKER.
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You make sound like Walmart is putting a gun to these suppliers head and forcing them to sign. the reason these suppliers sigh, is because its good business. They sell to Walmart at a lower cost but ship more in volume, and make more money that way.
It amazes me that everyone seems to know the ins and outs of Walmart. But how can they know? How do you know that Walmart bullies these suppliers? I guess thats what pissies me off about Teamsters today, is that I here more whining, complaining, accusing then anything else. When was the last time we asked how we could help our companies do better, rather than say they make too much money and should pay us more or invest more in the pension. I never hear that.
Now I'll be waiting for all the hate mail. But I am a proud Teamster. Like I said 3rd generation. But I also don't believe alot of the crap they tell me either. I have a mind of my own
 
keep fighting the good fight stoney, you are right with your statements,that government intervention hurts companies.let me ask this question to all ,does george bush or anybody in his adminstration control the price of oil on the world market or does he or his adminstration control the board of directors of the wal-mart corporation? my answer is he or his adminstration can not do anything to change the price of oil on the world market.keep in mind that if you lived in europe or england they have paid much higher fuel prices that we have ever paid in america, don't believe what i say check it for yourself. wal-mart has become so a large corporation that to take them down would now probably ruin the economy,each superstore employs around 500 people.it may be true that they have a lower pay scale for their people but what would those people , not all of course, be doing if walmart was not around. of course there would be other places to work .
 
stoneyABF said:
You make sound like Walmart is putting a gun to these suppliers head and forcing them to sign. the reason these suppliers sigh, is because its good business. They sell to Walmart at a lower cost but ship more in volume, and make more money that way.
It amazes me that everyone seems to know the ins and outs of Walmart. But how can they know? How do you know that Walmart bullies these suppliers? I guess thats what pissies me off about Teamsters today, is that I here more whining, complaining, accusing then anything else. When was the last time we asked how we could help our companies do better, rather than say they make too much money and should pay us more or invest more in the pension. I never hear that.
Now I'll be waiting for all the hate mail. But I am a proud Teamster. Like I said 3rd generation. But I also don't believe alot of the crap they tell me either. I have a mind of my own
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Supplier Relationships
Wal-Mart influence on its suppliers can be felt in the cheap products it sells and the jobs it drives overseas. To keep prices low, Wal-Mart must source goods from areas of the world where employment standards are severely lacking. In fact, over 80% of Wal-Mart’s suppliers are from China. According to Duke University Professor Gary Gerreffi, “Wal-Mart and China are a joint venture.” Quintessential American businesses like Huffy, Mr. Coffee, and Master Lock have suffered under the weight of Wal-Mart’s pressure. With increased sourcing from India, local suppliers will increasingly have to meet unrealistic prices and quotas to satisfy their demands
 
this is just my opnion .... but I live in wal-mart hq area ..... they tell the supplier what they will pay ... and you either provide it at that price .... well you have a brain .... use it ....and I ask you.... what do we make in the good old USA anymore..? ...WAKE UP AMERICA
 
Wake up as a Teamster's should not be shopping at Wal-mart.It has been said that America is only 25% in this down turn. We can expect more falling prices in housing and prices to rise for food and fuel.
 
Get real people nobody on this site wants to here a bunch of want to be politicians trying to safe the world.If your that smart un for office or call your reps but please .we here this crap everywhere.so lets talk freight or anything but politics.Thank you
 
troublemaker1 is correct. After reading all 4 pages of posts, things have kind of swung off the original topic of ABF having low or no freight and how it relates to the general economy. Lets redirect this back toward the original topic so it won't have to be bumped to the Politics Forum. I'm partially guilty also, since I didn't actually read all 4 pages when I posted the other day. I'll take my punishment now!!! :Bondage:
 
Yes, I agree with you guys. But when I get attacked just for being a republican or even a republican terrorist I get a little defensive. Sorry, but when is it crime to be a republican and a teamster. This forum started political in the very 1st post. Blaming Bush for our slow economy. I had a different point of view which is supported by facts. I asked what policy or laws inacted by Bush caused this slow economy, and no one could answer.
 
eckobay said:
this george bush economy sucks!!!
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Isn't it congress who writes the laws that control everything that happens? Isn't it the president who either veto's or passes legislation? Isn't congress a Democratic majority with an 11% approval rate? Finally Isn't Bush's approval rate at 29%? I would say the economy is the fault of US not voting in the proper people that believe in America first, and these 3 A-hole candidates we have now are NOT the answer! Businesses and media are controlling our minds to benefit themselves and their beliefs. The sooner we figure that out the sooner our economy will become great again. Ron Paul 2008 don't be sheep.:sheep:
 
slackdragon said:
this is just my opnion .... but I live in wal-mart hq area ..... they tell the supplier what they will pay ... and you either provide it at that price .... well you have a brain .... use it ....and I ask you.... what do we make in the good old USA anymore..? ...WAKE UP AMERICA
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We make food! So eat up America!:3dflagsdotcom_usa_2
 
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