NLRB seized ballot box and stopped the vote in PKB

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  1. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Your wrong on that. Guys do get cornered into resigning. I dont know why you worry about it though. Theres a whole helluvalotta managers kept on EVERYWHDRE who if ya total losses they incur are a whole universe ahead of most any driver as far as loss goes. Zollars walked with millions and somebody told me the United Way just hired him.....He was one of the greatest great ones whose shoes youd still shine if chance arose......But to hell with a driver who will never get close to even the losses of his own TM's mistakes even if hes the greatest slacker on Earth.
     
  2. Getoverit

    Getoverit Well-Known Member

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    It measures your mentality to a T !! You love ignorance, I know a guy this. Well here's the deal with the ballot box, this guy said he signed a card but I'd voting no!! All childish crap!! I kinda wonder if your a driver???not that it really matters, I wish I could tell you how I really feel but I will contain myself and just say personally I think you don't hZve a clue about anything, you just like to think you do!! JOE wanna be!! Have a good evening, I will ............
     
  3. SwampRatt

    SwampRatt Well-Known Member

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    A lot of people don't seem to see the fact that the Union & Company relationships seems to be changing. We all understand the past situations, whether is was UAW, AFL-CIO, or Teamsters. The Balance of power had swung far into the Union favor. That was a long time ago. Now the Balance has sung in the opposite direction, far into the Companies' favor.

    Today, things seem to me, to have changed. Looking at YRC, the Union, it seems, was willing to "help" the Company recover from their situation. Looking at UPS, & now UPS Freight, there seems to be much more BALANCE in the relationship. Yes they make TOP SHELF wages/benefits, but they also work hard/smart and are held to a pretty high standard. Perhaps UPS has found it very manageable, and is quite able to follow their side of the agreement, keeping their employees and managers accountable. You just don't see these types of mistakes, allowing the deadbeat to remain.

    It seems that currently the pendulum, after swinging far from one side to the other, has settled into a more reasonable position. It seems that currently, there is a higher degree of balance. The Union holds the Company to a high standard of accountability, and the Companies are able to hold the Union drivers to a high standard, as well. UPS has done so, FedEx (we'd expect) would do so as well.
     
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  4. Cab Lizzard

    Cab Lizzard Well-Known Member

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    I can make it real easy for you all.
    Give a person enough rope and they will hang themselves !!!!!!!
    Progressive discipline per contract is what happens.
    1 Coaching
    2 Warning Letter
    3 Suspension
    4 Termination
    Now if you commit one of the Cardinal Sins your canned on the spot.
     
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  5. Cab Lizzard

    Cab Lizzard Well-Known Member

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    Just what I thought and will leave it at that.
     
  6. Canadian Flyer

    Canadian Flyer Speedy Freightshaker #411

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    You're right about the balance. I only brought up what I did because it is an image problem that the unions as a whole have. Has that been changing? Quite possibly. The stories of folks getting away with bad behavior are certainly becoming less frequent.

    Personally, if there was a standard of accountability, my concern in this case would be quickly addressed. Because it reflects poorly on everyone when someone decides to take advantage of the system put in place to protect them and their coworkers do nothing about it. If abuses were addressed, I think you'd find a lot of no votes might become yes votes.

    Just my $0.02.
     
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  7. Canadian Flyer

    Canadian Flyer Speedy Freightshaker #411

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    I didn't say that I'm actively discouraging the gateways from voting yes. I only said that unless a gateway votes yes it will not affect what I do for FedEx. And I have zero input if it does happen because it's not my domicile.

    My chief concern if it does happen, honestly, is losing control of my equipment once I'm in the yard. I currently use the same dolly every day and ensure it's in good repair for the 614mi round trip every night. If I can't split sets anymore, I lose that peace of mind.

    I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I've done set switches before in yards and I've pulled them apart for free to keep my dolly. At the end of the day, we all want fairness for everyone. And I know being a contractor excludes me. Holland and Speedy have been getting along well for a long time now, but there's not as much involved in dropping a 53 footer to hook up another one. If it was that simple (and it was, once upon a time) I would have no issue.

    Some people would argue that all FedEx equipment is passable. Experience has me disagree. But I digress. If the vote comes to the gateways, I can do nothing about it and have no input or control besides begging for consideration.
     
  8. Josefus

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    It's political at that point. Both sides know the dance. Democrat vs. Repulican, anyone?

    Soon it won't be about us or the customers.
     
  9. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm.......what exactly are the Cardinal sins you mention?

    The steps you spell out pretty well match FXF corrective action policy to a T.........interested in seeing any differences between the two.......
     
  10. Cab Lizzard

    Cab Lizzard Well-Known Member

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    Theft
    Under the influence
    Falsification
    Destruction of company property
     
  11. Canadian Flyer

    Canadian Flyer Speedy Freightshaker #411

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    If the union is voted in, Cab Lizzard is suggesting that the corrective action policy be enshrined in the negotiated contract. An excellent idea. In reality, I can't see it happening because in all likelihood too many members wouldn't vote for a contract that ensures such a thing.

    I would be pleasantly surprised if it did happen though.
     
  12. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Major accident wouldnt be an offense that would be addressed outside of the normal step progression, or does it have a seperate policy? I am guessing that rolling up a set wouldnt be handled with a "coaching"?
     
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  13. aflifer

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    That is understood, but by publishing the policy within the employee handbook, the company in essence becomes legally obligated to follow its own rules. If a person is terminated and proven that the policy wasnt followed, the company could very well be liable for unlawful termination.

    Outside of an internal process vs. the legal route, the merits and drawbacks of each could be debated forever in my opinion, I dont really see much difference in what currently exists.......
     
  14. bigtruk_us

    bigtruk_us Well-Known Member

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    If it were the dog chaser union.Red and hammer would protest.So many unions and so many members in a union.Something must be right with union representation.Ive always suggested you all try for a different union anyway..Machinist union perhaps.The IBT isn't the only union that represents drivers and dockworkers
     
  15. bigtruk_us

    bigtruk_us Well-Known Member

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    As I have observed about this coaching thing..kinda childish
     
  16. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Is it childish in your environment?
     
  17. Cab Lizzard

    Cab Lizzard Well-Known Member

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    Usually the driver is canned with a major accident.
    Most are back to work shortly their after. Some paid some not.
     
  18. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.........appreciate the response........doesnt appear there is a whole lot of differences in the policies as written. If looks to me that the main differences are within the process of review, which I feel the merits and drawbacks of each can be debated without a clear resolution......
     
  19. Cab Lizzard

    Cab Lizzard Well-Known Member

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    Why on earth would someone out in the trenches doing the work not want to know how discipline comes down.
    Remember these words If you give them enough rope they will hang themselves.
    If somebody says they have never been in the office for discipline their not telling the truth.
    Everybody gets their turn in the barrel......
     
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    Cab Lizzard Well-Known Member

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    Now their are some time limits involved here. So their are no fishing expiditions.
    The company has 10 working day's to either put up or shut up............. Our managers have a hard time counting to ten.
     
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