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FedEx Freight | no go in CIN

EX396 said:
It may not have been so much a change of heart as it was you not really knowing where they stood to begin with.

Just because someone registers to vote one party doesn't mean they always do come election time, when they've had more time to learn more facts.

I'm guessing some signed cards to avoid confrontation with their co-workers, never intending to vote yes when the time came where they could be anonymous.
Some more managed to let their emotions cool and thought about their choice more logically. Others probably saw some changes in the way things were operating and felt the union wasn't necessary. I'd guess CIN had some people that didn't sign cards who voted YES as well.

The voter intimidation thing is something that both sides could argue the other one does. It's a matter of perception, degree, and proving so.
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You know I don't buy the argument that they signed a card just to get along because they didn't want confrontation, if that was it why be confronted about voting no. Don't believe it would be to hard to figure out who it was from what I've been reading about the way people are acting since the vote.
 
Since the vote was secret and card signing obviously is not secret it would be a lot harder to get guys to sign cards then it would be to vote and if FXF does retaliate it would be against anyone that signed a card 1st because most likely they know who those people are
 
EX396 said:
It may not have been so much a change of heart as it was you not really knowing where they stood to begin with.

Just because someone registers to vote one party doesn't mean they always do come election time, when they've had more time to learn more facts.

I'm guessing some signed cards to avoid confrontation with their co-workers, never intending to vote yes when the time came where they could be anonymous.
Some more managed to let their emotions cool and thought about their choice more logically. Others probably saw some changes in the way things were operating and felt the union wasn't necessary. I'd guess CIN had some people that didn't sign cards who voted YES as well.

The voter intimidation thing is something that both sides could argue the other one does. It's a matter of perception, degree, and proving so.
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I can only disagree with your characterization of thinking logically. Are you saying the pro union votes aren't thinking logically? I disagree. The logical assumption, would be, when the union threat goes away, the issues will return.
 
SwampRatt said:
I can only disagree with your characterization of thinking logically. Are you saying the pro union votes aren't thinking logically? I disagree. The logical assumption, would be, when the union threat goes away, the issues will return.
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No, though it could be read that way. I am attempting to explain the possibilities of why the difference in numbers between cards signed and yes votes, so was speaking from that perspective.

During the card signing campaign those decisions are largely emotional. After some amount of time the emotional part plays a smaller role in the decision making process while logic plays a larger role. That goes for those who chose not to sign a card perhaps out of fear (emotion) of retaliation that may have later voted YES. Once they had time to consider all plusses and minuses in a logical manner. It works both ways. Some may have been thumping their chests around their coworkers while signing a card, then later realized that it may not be the best logical decision to bring in the Teamsters.
 
SwampRatt said:
The logical assumption, would be, when the union threat goes away, the issues will return.
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I agree to an extent. The threat of unionization certainly alters behavior of those that wouldn't otherwise be persuaded. However, some folks are inclined to learn from close calls and don't want to experience them again....dodging a bullet if you will. Most people won't put themselves in that same situation again. However, if they find out those bullets have all been blanks...

For the sake of most involved, the employees, the corporation, and the shareholders, I hope the organization attempt fails AND that the FedEx corporate folks take a good long hard look at who they have in various positions of leadership and those folks' abilities. What can be done to alter the environment in a positive way, while still providing the return and stability the shareholders are looking for? That starts from the top down. Don't berate the regional guy and he likely won't berate the SCM, who likely won't berate the OPS Manager, and so on...

We can't all sit around the campfire and sing kum-bah-yah (sp?), as there is work to be done. However, treating people how you would like to be treated goes a long, long way.
 
Quigley said:
Heard last night there will be a revote in CIN................ Due some things that were not done correctly...
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By things not being done correctly, do you happen to mean the fact the the teamsters representative was escorted off the property? Or do you mean the 12 drivers that have filed sworn affadavits with the NLRB stating that they were pulled in the office before they voted and told if they voted yes they would shut their terminal down this leaving them without a job? Or do you mean the lawsuit that is being filed against FedEx freight for those actions I previously stated? It's funny how they constantly call the union a bunch of thugs, but honestly who looks like the group of thugs now? It seemed kind of strange why CIN voted it down, as the days pass the more the truth finds its way to the light.
 
Easy JR said:
By things not being done correctly, do you happen to mean the fact the the teamsters representative was escorted off the property? Or do you mean the 12 drivers that have filed sworn affadavits with the NLRB stating that they were pulled in the office before they voted and told if they voted yes they would shut their terminal down this leaving them without a job? Or do you mean the lawsuit that is being filed against FedEx freight for those actions I previously stated? It's funny how they constantly call the union a bunch of thugs, but honestly who looks like the group of thugs now? It seemed kind of strange why CIN voted it down, as the days pass the more the truth finds its way to the light.
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Sounds like somebody screwed up bet they won't vote it down again.
 
The truth will come out eventually. If you back someone into a corner long and/or hard enough, the conscience will take over. And just for the record, when I say back someone into a corner, I don't mean physically... if there were drivers that were harassed, bullied, or threatened by anyone to vote either way, then in fairness it needs to be reported and another vote should be pushed for. You guys all have the right to vote freely without fear of retaliation and it is starting to sound like that right was thrown under the bus and backed over for good measure. It is understandable why someone would fear losing a job... can't take care of your family and having that threatened will shake anyone up. It would truly be a cowardly act if this was condoned and carried out by FedEx or a member of the Teamsters... and I am leaning this way heavier on the Fedex side for blame. Fedex is spending millions on its anti union campaign.
 
EX396 said:
No, though it could be read that way. I am attempting to explain the possibilities of why the difference in numbers between cards signed and yes votes, so was speaking from that perspective.

During the card signing campaign those decisions are largely emotional. After some amount of time the emotional part plays a smaller role in the decision making process while logic plays a larger role. That goes for those who chose not to sign a card perhaps out of fear (emotion) of retaliation that may have later voted YES. Once they had time to consider all plusses and minuses in a logical manner. It works both ways. Some may have been thumping their chests around their coworkers while signing a card, then later realized that it may not be the best logical decision to bring in the Teamsters.
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It's human nature for people to forget or back off something the further it gets away from the incident that got them fired up. Don't get upset with CIN. drivers. People second guess themselves all the time! Trust me I do it all the time! They probably got worried about their families or their careers. They believed all the propaganda or scare tactics of FedEx, and because FedEx has given us a raise, took away the scorecard(for now!!) and started letting people take vacation days they forgot what the did to get us to where we are! People have short term memory on stuff! Example(911!!!!!! IRS scandal NSA scandal and so on!

If you think FedEx has changed then why are the same people that treated you unprofessionally still work here? Do you think for a minute if me or you did half the stuff management did we would still be employed here! Outta sight out mind I guess for some. Not me I've seen their worst and I know IF union goes away they will be back to rare form!

Little bit of info for you. Our unethical assistant manager didn't get fired! They moved him to another center! They don't care how he treated us! They wanted him to treat us like that! They just figured if they got him out of Nashville we would back off UNION! Outta sight outta mind!! Sorry corporate you started to make people think you changed but when they heard you just moved him instead of firing him it just motivated them even more!

Stay strong EPH! Don't have short term memory! Remember what got you to this point! I can't speak for other centers, but Nashville has got your back!!

In case you missed it the first time. Lol
 
EX396 said:
I agree to an extent. The threat of unionization certainly alters behavior of those that wouldn't otherwise be persuaded. However, some folks are inclined to learn from close calls and don't want to experience them again....dodging a bullet if you will. Most people won't put themselves in that same situation again. However, if they find out those bullets have all been blanks...

For the sake of most involved, the employees, the corporation, and the shareholders, I hope the organization attempt fails AND that the FedEx corporate folks take a good long hard look at who they have in various positions of leadership and those folks' abilities. What can be done to alter the environment in a positive way, while still providing the return and stability the shareholders are looking for? That starts from the top down. Don't berate the regional guy and he likely won't berate the SCM, who likely won't berate the OPS Manager, and so on...

We can't all sit around the campfire and sing kum-bah-yah (sp?), as there is work to be done. However, treating people how you would like to be treated goes a long, long way.
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You offer a fair and reasoned opinion. I only disagree with the 1st half of one sentence. I'm sure you know which one, and that is only because I would have a difficult time trusting FedEx honor a commitment to improve the environment, in any lasting way, and to do it willingly.
 
When I was 396 (you know the local that never had any LTL carriers ;) ) there were two guys I worked with that, last I heard were at SBR. As I understand it SBR is voting this Halloween.

These guys had very different personalities but were both ass-busting, intelligent, quality drivers. I doubt very much that has changed. They just happened to be employed by a union represented carrier at the time. It was a fairly caustic environment.

Knowing these guys, their personalities and their work ethic, I'd be curious as to their take on this situation.

I respect these men. They are in the trenches and would be acutely aware of their situation now, what it was 10 years ago and what it was like 20+ years ago. If they are both PRO, I would be shocked, but it would certainly be telling and I would even change my profile pic.
 
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