gfy, have you ever heard of the "high road"? If I'm on a so-called high horse down in may berry as you so eloquently put it, then so be it. Taking the high road instead of taking the approach you and others take might actually get you somewhere someday. It doesn't matter if you work for CSE, CCX or CWX. The high road will always take you further. I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain. Obviously you're not listening to what I'm saying. The way in which you voice your objections will end up biting you in your behind when it's all over with. Also, I appreciate the name-calling. Nice low road approach. You forgot the nut-kick icon.