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When OVNT was owned by the Union Pacific UP banned these nasty little things from all their property. The signs still stand at all UP operations.
Maybe the tightest ship figured a little more production out of it too.
 
Slo said:
I saw a driver last night with a digital countdown timer and some velcro and a magnifying glass. He said he was going to stop every hour on the hour for his 15 minute smoke break and was going to log every minute of it and his meet man would just have to like it. Late freight or not. he said he didnt live in a commie country yet
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I want a job where I can stop every hour for a 15 minute smoke break. I will start smoking again for that kind of pay,.
 
Dockworker said:
Without getting too technical. I feel they will eventually ban "Tobacco Use" of any kind.

Yes healtcare is sky rocketing and the ill effects of smoking partially contributes to the higher costs.
Bottom line, UPS is not making you quit. Although I feel, they would like you to quit to help reduce your major healthcare issues down the road because of it.
It's your choice right now.
The Scotts company in Ohio bans the use of tobacco and does not hire smokers period! They do random drug testing for signs of tobacco use. They've been taken to court because of this practice. I think they have won the case. (Search the internet for the info)

I feel UPS is reducing the worst evil of the two forms of tobacco use in the tractor, thus reducing a bigger liability. (Fire)
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It's one thing to say smoking is not healthy, I agree with that, but to say smoking is the major cause of fire in trucks is ludicrous, or the potential of. There is also several other things that lead to expanded INS. costs as well, like greed. people are blinded by the fact that greed does not play a roll in expanded costs across the board.

Again as I have said before, people can make arguments for everything, one fine example is carbon emissions from the vehicles we drive, people sustain the argument that carbon emissions, (just to name one emission,) is bad for us and the environment, I would agree, but most of us still start a car, adding to our demise, start a truck, adding to our demise, the SUV is a major player in the mix to our demise. Can one see the addiction.

Now our current president does not consider it an issue, he could have raised and made it mandatory to raise cafe standards to 75-100 miles to a gallon, we had the technology 20 years ago and to this day do not come forth with the truth.

Big business put us into a psition where we are not only dependant but need oil so therefore it will not go anywhere soon.

As far as germs is concearned, You mite as well wipe everything down all the time, they are everywhere simply washing hands will not keep most germs off of your body, as a matter of fact, there is germs that live on ones body that cannot be removed easily, THE STREP VIRUS to name one, I am not saying one should not shower now, mind you, but if one does not want to shower, why is our GOV, and most others alike, tell us we have too, where is the freedom in society?

Again, it is not the action, it is the principal. Socialism is in our society and has been for some time, we will always find a way to not allow someone , to do something, because we consider it tacky, immoral, unethical, and with a big enough weather pattern inflict oppression. hence SOCIALISM.

I am happy your as healthy as a horse,:1036316054: do not get me wrong, but my health, or the clothes line in back yard, or my SUV, or my 4 wheeler, or not wearing a helmet, or my seat belt, should be my decision, and my decision only.

It should not be the decision of some left wing radicals , or right wing religeous group,that believe they were put on this earth to save my life, that is not the grounds in which this country was founded on.
 
Accelerator said:
It's one thing to say smoking is not healthy, I agree with that, but to say smoking is the major cause of fire in trucks is ludicrous, or the potential of.
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Who said smoking is a major cause of fire in trucks? I know I didn't say that in my post.
I said it was it was a bigger liability.
My understanding of liability is:
In legal terms, the word liability refers to fault. The person who is at fault is liable to another because of his or her actions or failure to act.

  • If a driver tosses his cigarette out the window (God forbid it should bounce off the truck and land into a vehicle) and it starts a fire and someone should happen to see and report us, that would be a liability since we are currently working for UPS, we can be held accountable.
  • If you accidently drop your cigarette in your truck and frantically search for it your might get into an accident from being distracted or might even catch something on fire. If nothing happens to the public, (something burned, side swiped a guard rail) the driver would be held accountable by UPS at a local level.
    If something happens to the public, (accident etc.) the driver and UPS would be held accountable.

This No Smoking debate can really go on forever and ever, there are many angles to debate on this subject and many of us will agree to disagree, but the bottom line is UPS decided to not have any smoker smoke in their vehicles...period.
Again, they are not telling you to quit. Smoke anywhere else but your company vehicle.

I have alot of smoker friends, they come to my house. They know I do not allow smoking in my house. Want to smoke? go into the garage or outside and please put out your butt in the proper receptacle I have provided. Not squished on the floor or tossed in the bushes.

Side note:
Finding fault on who tossed a cigarette out the window and caused a fire is very tough, tedious and sometimes costly to prove, but it can be proven.
Thats why they have developed FSC Cigarettes. I posted a link in the earlier part of this thread.
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Dockworker said:
Who said smoking is a major cause of fire in trucks? I know I didn't say that in my post.
I said it was it was a bigger liability.
My understanding of liability is:
In legal terms, the word liability refers to fault. The person who is at fault is liable to another because of his or her actions or failure to act.
  • If a driver tosses his cigarette out the window (God forbid it should bounce off the truck and land into a vehicle) and it starts a fire and someone should happen to see and report us, that would be a liability since we are currently working for UPS, we can be held accountable.
  • If you accidently drop your cigarette in your truck and frantically search for it your might get into an accident from being distracted or might even catch something on fire. If nothing happens to the public, (something burned, side swiped a guard rail) the driver would be held accountable by UPS at a local level.
    If something happens to the public, (accident etc.) the driver and UPS would be held accountable.
This No Smoking debate can really go on forever and ever, there are many angles to debate on this subject and many of us will agree to disagree, but the bottom line is UPS decided to not have any smoker smoke in their vehicles...period.
Again, they are not telling you to quit. Smoke anywhere else but your company vehicle.

I have alot of smoker friends, they come to my house. They know I do not allow smoking in my house. Want to smoke? go into the garage or outside and please put out your butt in the proper receptacle I have provided. Not squished on the floor or tossed in the bushes.

Side note:
Finding fault on who tossed a cigarette out the window and caused a fire is very tough, tedious and sometimes costly to prove, but it can be proven.
Thats why they have developed FSC Cigarettes. I posted a link in the earlier part of this thread.
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Health care costs , is the higher motivation for UPS to manufacture a smoking policy. That is not to say that the examples you have made are not credible mind you, but in %'s play's a smaller role in comparing liability, that is my point.

And why I did not see a broader view of "fire" is beyond me and I apoligize.

And asking freinds to do as such should be expected, it is only common courtesy.

As far as being distracted while driving, there is alot of other things that can distract drivers of any sort, not just cigaretes.

I do agree both examples you chose are liabilities , but not as big of a liability as having a smoker work for you, and thier increased health costs that highten every year.

Alot of companies have found that banning smoking allows better premiums for companies in health ins. and does not infringe on a persons right to smoke for the simple fact that they have a right to go somewhere else to work. Nothing more then pushing it too the extreme. At one time there was a compelling argument for putting people of color to the back of the bus as well, not to say it is right, Thakfully someone with balls greeted the masses.

I am well aware of liability, my argument is the % of costs, and the roles each cost play's in making the policy, a policy that holds no water, as far as I am concearned. Which brings me to this, why not make a suitable area on the premisis for people to smoke in each terminal, if fire is the only issue. And I saw the post you made earlier, very informative.
 
Accelerator said:
Health care costs , is the higher motivation for UPS to manufacture a smoking policy. That is not to say that the examples you have made are not credible mind you, but in %'s play's a smaller role in comparing liability, that is my point.
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Correct me if I am wrong. UPS is only advising us not to smoke while in company vehicles and not to smoke outside the designated smoking areas of UPS property. They are not telling us to quit smoking.
You are right, bottom line smoking is a big contributor to higher healthcare costs, there are too many medical findings to back that up.
Although they would like us to quit. I feel there really is no justifiable way to tell us to flat out quit or get terminated.....yet.


Accelerator said:
And why I did not see a broader view of "fire" is beyond me and I apoligize.
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It's all good, no harm no foul, you've always been cool with me!:1036316054:

Accelerator said:
As far as being distracted while driving, there is alot of other things that can distract drivers of any sort, not just cigarettes.
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Very true sir! Cellphones, adjusting the radio, HVAC controls, dropping items on the floor and possibly looking at the "nasty thang" going on with 4 wheelers all come to mind. But the topic is about smoking and I do understand where you are coming from.:1036316054:

Accelerator said:
I am well aware of liability, my argument is the % of costs, and the roles each cost play's in making the policy, a policy that holds no water, as far as I am concearned. Which brings me to this, why not make a suitable area on the premisis for people to smoke in each terminal, if fire is the only issue. And I saw the post you made earlier, very informative.
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You terminal does not have a designated smoking area? Ours does and it is more than 15 feet away from the building and away from non smokers.

I feel the policy will blanket All of UPS property real soon.
 
JPS said:
When OVNT was owned by the Union Pacific UP banned these nasty little things from all their property. The signs still stand at all UP operations.
Maybe the tightest ship figured a little more production out of it too.
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That must have just been in Utah. I worked for Skyway and it wasn't banned from their equipment/ properties.:smilie_132:
 
Dockworker said:
Correct me if I am wrong. UPS is only advising us not to smoke while in company vehicles and not to smoke outside the designated smoking areas of UPS property. They are not telling us to quit smoking.
You are right, bottom line smoking is a big contributor to higher healthcare costs, there are too many medical findings to back that up.
Although they would like us to quit. I feel there really is no justifiable way to tell us to flat out quit or get terminated.....yet.



It's all good, no harm no foul, you've always been cool with me!:1036316054:


Very true sir! Cellphones, adjusting the radio, HVAC controls, dropping items on the floor and possibly looking at the "nasty thang" going on with 4 wheelers all come to mind. But the topic is about smoking and I do understand where you are coming from.:1036316054:



You terminal does not have a designated smoking area? Ours does and it is more than 15 feet away from the building and away from non smokers.

I feel the policy will blanket All of UPS property real soon.
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Okay I will tell you what I have heard, this is supposed to be in the new rulebook.

"Smoking will be prohibited in company vehicles and company property"

This is what we are hearing from our TM, This is my argument, if I have taken this in a different direction, as I have said I apoligize, but this is what we have heard. I am waiting for the hardcopy.

Our TM continued to say that in some parts of OHIO it has allready been implemented.:smilie_132:

Some of the arguments I have had about smoking in a vehicle in the past have included distractions, maybe I am having a flashback.:biglaugh:
 
Accelerator said:
Okay I will tell you what I have heard, this is supposed to be in the new rulebook.

"Smoking will be prohibited in company vehicles and company property"

This is what we are hearing from our TM, This is my argument, if I have taken this in a different direction, as I have said I apoligize, but this is what we have heard. I am waiting for the hardcopy.

Our TM continued to say that in some parts of OHIO it has allready been implemented.:smilie_132:

Some of the arguments I have had about smoking in a vehicle in the past have included distractions, maybe I am having a flashback.:biglaugh:
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Wow, thats news to me. (Company property that is)
I'm also looking forward to the hardcopy of the updated book.

I've heard that Ohio and a few other states have become smoke free states.

One more workday until we start seeing nicotine fits at the workplace.
 
It will be no great loss in the long run. Even the hard core smoker will adjust. If I stick my head and hand out the window and smoke outside the truck, while its moving, will that count?:TR10driving03:
 
Hears my one cent worth. I asked a ups brown driver about the no smoking ban in company equipment. His responce was not while own company property but when you leave company property you can. Which makes scense they can tell you where to smoke own company property as thy do now but when you leave company property they have no say so in the matter. Yea i know they will say that they own the equipment but they do not at this point own us. This is still a free country I think.Seems like I gave seven years deffending this country so that bleeding hearts can make choices for me, Dam thought that was my choice. Just goes to show how much I know
 
liebstandarte said:
It will be no great loss in the long run. Even the hard core smoker will adjust. If I stick my head and hand out the window and smoke outside the truck, while its moving, will that count?:TR10driving03:
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I think that doing this will stop these new cigarettes from going out on there own.
 
liebstandarte said:
It will be no great loss in the long run. Even the hard core smoker will adjust. If I stick my head and hand out the window and smoke outside the truck, while its moving, will that count?:TR10driving03:
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Shhhhhhh! Your giving away secrets!!!!:biglaugh:

Smoke Eliminator....Ready-to-use Aerosol This works well!

I know the smokers who continue to smoke will have the cleanest dash boards and floors with a nice fresh scent at the end of their shift!:hide:
 
If you think your going to be able to hang out the window to get your smoking done.
first your cig will burn up much faster in the wind.

second you could be the cause of a serious crash.

KLEW-TV - Local & Regional - Video - Clarkston couple dies after truck crosses road, crushes their car

I know you wouldn't want to have what happened to this driver.

becides all that your head may be out the window but your butt is still sitting on company equipent.

If your a linehaul driver just do your smoking at your rest stops outside your truck.
Its a lot easier if your a city driver.
you have to get out to make all of your deliveries.
 
God I'm gonna miss all the choking and puking!!! It was a source of hysterical entertainment when some poor bastard went from red to green in a hacking fit. :hysterical:
 
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