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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Magoo, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Yep, the what ifs are part of what make studying history fascinating. Even with known history, there is an element of fiction that creates debate.

    In my view, Lenin would have been an outstanding professor of political science, but as a world leader he was pretty flawed.

    As with many idealists, his shortcomings shine through when said ideals are put into practical action. For instance, I believe that Lenin would have used primarily the same tactics as Stalin should he lived and maintained power. History has shown us that socialist/communist states require subjogation of the masses to maintain control. Lenin utilized the Cheka, which executed 200,000 and sent 50000 more to the gulags in his 7 years of power. I have a hard time believing that number would have decreased as he fought for control in subsequent years.

    Hypocrisy of any kind agitates me personally and I view Lenin as quite a hypocrite. He gambled a huge part of his nation on the success and good intentions of the capitalist states when he signed the treaty of Brest Litovsk, yet derided them when they came through on their end of the bargain. He basically killed another 5 million or so of his contrymen with the War Communism policy, which he then changed course on with the NEP in 1921. He was a true dictator in nature, as the Ban of Factions, also imposed in 1921, effectively eliminated any semblance of democratic thought within the country.

    As for him and Trotsky being friends, I wouldn't put too much stock in that considering Plekhanov and Martov were two of his closest comrades at one time and he pretty much washed his hands of them when they offered dissention from his own views.

    WWII probably happens regardless, as the Treaty of Versailles made a conflict of some sort inevitable. Not sure Lenin's principles could have taken effect on a starved Germany, as his own people were starving as well......

    Interesting to think about though....
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  2. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I started watching this on Amazon not sure yet if I will recommend but it is a interesting concept to explore.

    The Man In The High Castle 1 Season
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    Based on Philip K. Dick's award-winning novel, and executive produced by Ridley Scott (Blade Runner), and Frank Spotnitz (The X-Files), The Man in the High Castle explores what it would be like if the Allied Powers had lost WWII, and Japan and Germany ruled the United States. Starring Rufus Sewell (John Adams), Luke Kleintank (Pretty Little Liars), and Alexa Davalos (Mob City).
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  3. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook AD-FREE USER

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    No one can change even a small part of history, and not change everything. I heard Glenn Beck talk of discussing 'what if you had the chance to kill young Hitler' with his son. His son, tho young, had a priceless answer. 'We can't do that. Think of all the Heroes who never would've been!'
  4. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Lenin realized in his life time that communism did not work that is why he institututed the New Economic policies

    Took a monster to Stalin to set the nation "right"

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