NSA Rats Out Republicans

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Magoo, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Not with me, I agree with that. I know that they have a huge following but I don't get it.
     
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  2. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Instigator, maybe. More like questioner. Thomas Jefferson said 'question everything even the very existence of God. ' When you've done that, your debates are on solid ground. You can prove your reasoning.

    This is an opinion board. When inane opinions are made, people want to see the reasoning behind it. You often start respectably, but if people don't blindly accept your opinions within three back and forth exchanges, it appears your pattern is to insult or divert. doesnt work that way my man.

    To make a sports analogy: Bubba74 played D1 Football. Although I'm sure it was rare, surely he got put in the mud a few times. His posts reveal his character. The few times he's bested on here, he gets up, clears the mud from his eyes, and comes back with his best work. He doesn't insult or divert. You can too.

    Like the Direct TV ads- be like the Dick we know you can be. Don't be like the other Dick....

    I'm not trying to chase you off. I'm trying to make your debates better. No one will change either's minds. But we can prove why we do what we do...
     
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  3. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    Watch it
    As usual you accuse me while conveniently overlooking the behavior of others. I can say with 100 percent certainty that I treat others with respect on here until they treat me otherwise. If I'm insulted continuously then yes, usually I'll "hit back".

    I don't expect to change anyone's mind on here but the problem is Jimmy, you and a few other refuse to respect others positions on here. For example, if I challenge Flash on his position enough and he feels cornered, he immediately goes to the gutter with sarcasm, insults, and name calling. You usually just accuse me of only serving the purpose of disrupting the forum simply because I have a minority position than the other members and refuse to continue.
     
  4. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    Your a very polite Man Jimmy. Dick will fall apart if he's honest with himself (never happen)
    "God, please don't let me be a Dick today"...lol. My Wife calls me God in bed.."oh God".....lol (lier)
     
  5. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Just have disagree on who starts what. I'm mostly meaning you vs me...
     
  6. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see
    There will be an answer, let it be
    Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
    There will be an answer, let it be
    Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
    Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
    Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
    Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
     
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  7. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    Dick wants to play civil.... "thats gReat"..
    He'll make a great punching bag....lol.
     
  8. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    He's one of those guys who thinks that they are always the smartest guy in the room. That's why he is also an Obama bootlicker. That type of Liberal thinks that everyone should look up to them and their superior wisdom, when in reality they're nowhere near as intelligent as they'd like to make you believe. It's kind of a fraudulent mentality.......but that's fitting for that type of Lib.
     
  9. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    That's my exact take on him.....spot on. That's why I called him thin-skinned. Because after a few back and fourths, he gets testy when he realizes that he isn't convincing you to join his belief.
     
  10. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    If being called a Lib, Libtard, Moonbat, simpleton, bootlicker, or Obama lover offends you, you've got some thin skin issues. Pay me back by calling me a Conservative, that will hurt, and hurt bad.

    Don't hide from your Liberalism, Communist, Socialist, Statist, and leftist views, stand tall, be proud.

    And by the way......you admitted it yourself when it comes to me. You said that you had lost what little respect that you did have for me because you went along with that, "an enemy of an enemy is your friend" strategy, back with the Fatboybuffet debate on racial issues. You liked how I set him straight on that thread, then you realized that you and I are on different planets when it comes to racial issues. You support irresponsibility and I don't.

    I agree, other than the name calling, I call it "political identification", now put on your big boy pants, and let's dance.

    Well, well, well, looky here, it looks like we've got ourselves a "victim". The race card must not have been available.
     
  11. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    I hope you're still following this thread. I trust you'll have something to say about the above post from Flash?
     
  12. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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  13. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    You know I don't shy away from my views. I proudly proclaim my views on this site. I believe that's one reason you don't like me on this forum. I'm very firm in my beliefs.


    "America, like a few other nations, has become characteristic for the depth of the abyss that divide a handful of brutal millionaires who are stagnating in a mire of luxury, and millions of laboring starving men and women who are always staring want in the face."

    Vladimir Lenin
     
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  14. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    You're so juvenile
     
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  15. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    I call a spade a spade.

    You need to take some lessons from your boy Mags. He can take a punch, and continues to roll with it. You claim victimhood or want to claim victory.

    We can either lay this to rest or..........I have nothing but time on my hands.
     
  16. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    Victimhood? Hardly. I laugh at you. I'm just pointing out to Jim your lack of class. Shouldn't you go start dinner? Your wife will be home from work soon.
     
  17. aflifer

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    What would his bonifides be for making such a statement? Vast personal experience living here?

    I would say America has changed a bit since Lenin prowled the earth......

    Also, if he were alive to see the mess that the country that he actually lived in turned out to be, do you think his attitude would have remained the same?
     
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  18. Bubba74

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    no mud, we had turf
    that great old 80's concrete turf
     
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  19. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Come on.......you can do better than that. You should have been a Conservative throughout you life, maybe could be in my shoes. Spending like a Liberal will keep you working for your entire life.
    Just a thought.
     
  20. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Drat, Double Drat, and Triple Drat!

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    I love these little 'what if' scenarios.

    Lenin wouldn't have let Stalin rise to power, as Trotsky was his friend, and so even if they had disagreements, they would have worked things out together.

    As for WWII and on, Lenin would have turned Hitler away from fascism and 'converted' him to Socialism.

    First of all the Spartakist League (German Revolutionary Socialists) were very radical and they moved too quickly, too heatedly, ultimately getting themselves killed off almost to a man. Lenin would have calmed them down, made them back down so that wouldn’t have happened. National Socialism in the 1930s (in its first iteration) was Anti-Communist and Anti-Capitalist after all, and so Lenin's political intelligence would have influenced those German revolutionaries to blunt Nazism’s expansion and growth. The same after all, was occurring in Italy with Mussolini (whom let's remember Churchill liked). Lenin would have no doubt intervened there too before it was too late.

    Because 1930s conscience was anger, disappointment, and bitterness toward Capitalism for causing the crisis of the Great Depression, everyone saw it as a moment, or rather an opportunity to supplant Capitalism and replace it with Socialism. If Lenin had lived Socialism would have expanded across Europe. Trotsky wanted to expand Socialism across Europe as well, of course, albeit through an international revolutionary way. Lenin would have fomented individual movements on the national level to achieve the same through Vanguardism, working and helping the revolutionary ‘elite’ in a less bloody way. It would have taken the wind out of Hitler's Nazism.

    He might not have converted Hitler, as I said earlier, but he would have dissuaded him, and made his charisma ineffectual. Mussolini too, who started out as a Socialist (his father was a Socialist let's remember, and named him after the Mexican revolutionary Benito Juarez) would have been pushed aside, diminished, or possibly reasoned with to leave behind Fascism to embrace Socialism.

    Lenin was extremely astute, a genius, a very privileged mind capable of playing three-dimensional chess as they say. If you want to define him, you can say that Lenin took ideas and adapted them to reality. That was his kind of enlightenment. Whilst Trotsky and Stalin, though differing in ideologies, adapted--forced really-- reality to their ideas. That leads to unnecessary violence as you bend, twist, pull and push reality and force it to fit with the way you expect it to be.

    As for WWII, it would have been avoided. The world's technological advancements would have been different. Not fostered through militarism, but rather repurposed toward medical, social and leisure categories that would have saved us some toil and time. If Lenin had lived and we'd have avoided WWII.

    Finally for your Russia and the Soviet Union question that's really tough. If the answer doesn't depend on the previous ones, as in if WWII had happened anyway, the outcome would have been the same because it would have still been a tremendous fight for survival.

    WWII for the Russians was known as the Great Patriotic War or the Great War for the Motherland. The Nazis wanted to make slaves out of the slavic people, and thus they were fighting for their very existence. Lenin would have achieved victory, naturally, without purging his generals and without a cult of personality and the self-aggrandizement of Stalin.

    Lenin would not have been as brutal but the nearly 30 million deaths would still have been unavoidable in order to overtake fascism and beat back the Nazi war machine. Remember that WWII was an absolutely horrid time where everyone was a despot. Churchill, Mussolini, Franco, Roosevelt, they were all brutal and disgusting in their own ways, some more than others, but no one got out of that period with clean hands and a pristine conscience. If your question, however, hinges on the previous answer of avoiding WWII, then the Soviet Union would still be alive and well today. The NEP would have industrialised the entire eastern part of Russia without Stalin's brutal ten year plan of rapid industrialisation that left many people dead.

    There is no doubt that he was a true visionary of his time and he died before he could make further contributions. The world would have definitely been better if he'd lived. We're all the poorer for his death.
     
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