Obamacare premiums will go up by double-digit percentages next year

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  1. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    You are the only one on my hate list. Congrats. I get along with everyone else just fine, even when we disagree. But then again, nobody else thinks that they can force me to respond to their long winded b.s.

    This is the same cycle that has taken place for the last year and a half.
    You want to converse with me, so you reply to my posts, I don't respond, you get frustrated, you keep trying, I don't respond, you get more frustrated because I won't respond, then you get personal, so I respond with personal insults to pay you back.

    The saga continues...............
     
  2. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Damn funny that you are the only :censored: on here that I have a problem with.

    But that is why you mentioned it to Apo. That's your real goal. Typical Liberal, can't win in the battle of ideas, so you have to silence the opposition.

    I dish it out to those who I have good relationships with, like Magoo. Him and I have been giving each other the business for years. You aren't on that list, because you are an :censored:.

    My advice to you, is that when someone says that they aren't interested in chatting with your stupid ass, just leave it be, and don't keep poking them.

    Feel free to respond to my posts because I can't stop you, but as soon as there is something personal about me....we'll be right back here again.:6781:
     
  3. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Those who support her realize that Obamacare is a complete failure, and even though she has admitted that she will continue the disaster, they will still vote for her anyway. Usually it's because they aren't impacted by the crap that is contained within Obamacare. It costs some of them nothing, the rest of us are getting screwed.
     
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  4. tutone710

    tutone710 Your Retirement Canceled

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  5. tutone710

    tutone710 Your Retirement Canceled

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    NPR reported obummer care will go up 116% in the state of AZ next year. That's one hundred and sixteen percent. Population control? Kill off all the retired people in AZ? Teamster members soon to retire should think about the future when voting.
     
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  6. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Everyone take a good look at this map again. These are the Obamacare rate increases that are coming. I want to hear Hillary defend these numbers.
    Note: There have already been massive rate increases, and these are the ADDITIONAL increases that are still coming soon.
    Kudos to Bart for the map.
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  7. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Supposedly Hillary is heading to Arizona to campaign there. She needs to be asked about their 116% increase in the Obamacare rates.
    Maybe it will end up being Bush's fault.
     
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  8. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    I understand that..... The mandate that requires you to have health insurance through employment or to purchase it, is wrong...... I've always stated opposition to that...... We agree on that....but perhaps for different reasons..... I don't mind any part of the taxes I pay to help fund insurance coverage for others......however my issue is that I feel its wrong for the Government to require us to buy anything from any Company....regardless of what it is.....and it seems its always insurance that is required.... Nice arrangement for them....

    Glad to see you're good with helping the less fortunate..... Anyone on Government assistance isn't living "high on the hog".... They are barely getting the basics.....
    As far as who's picking up the tab.... It's all of through our collective tax dollars...... Our taxes pay for a whole range of social services.....like infrastructure, as an example,...yet no one complains about that...and the abuse that arisies out of Companies trying to get something over on the Government contract.....or the military Industrial complex that has been shown to defraud the Government through excessive charges........but yet we only hear people complaing about a relative few welfare cheats.........
    To your point about the ACA subsidies.... Personally I think its wrong that the Government subsidizes an already very profitable industry..... Our taxes should not go to Insurance companies.....however, I have no issue with our tax dollars going to directly pay for actual medical services.... That would be a far better use of those funds..... That's why I'm for national single payer rather than having the Insurance companies in charge........ What do they do?? They take those subsidies and raise the deductables and co-pays to such levels that for the majority of people, they don't have to actually pay for any medical services.... Insurance companies can not be trusted to do the right thing.....

    No doubt those increases hurt a lot of Families financially....... We pay taxes to pay for a lot of things that benefit all of us....roads or the military, as examples, so why would we not pay for peoples health and well being..... A healthy person is a more productive person.. It should be viewed as an investment in society, not as a burden....

    I've never pegged you personally as greedy or selfish.... Yes I fully understand the concept of taking care of our Families as a priorty..... I do the same.... Where we seem to differ is on the use of our tax dollars being used to provide social safety nets, including actual healthcare for all of us....not subsidies to Insurance companies..... The sentiment expressed by so many people that they dont want any part of their taxes to be used to fund social safety nets makes it seem apparent that many people, while not necessarily "greedy or selfish" are uncaring about others in society around them that are not as fortunate......the notion expressed is that everyone on Government assistance is a "freeloader or a taker"..... Simply thats not true in most cases...... Is there abuse...yes of course.....but so is there abuse in everything as I've already pointed out....

    Depending on the location.....yes....absolutely.... Preventing crime and the use of our tax dollars are two different things....

    Looking out for "number one" is fine....to a point..... Collectively, as a society, we should be looking out for the greater best interests of everyone.....and the best way to do that is through our collective tax dollars..... With our "take home pay" that is money that should be used to provide for ourselves and Families first......if anyone wants to be charitable with discretionary income.....that's up to the individual.....
     
  9. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    I post comments on many others posts...not just yours.......if they respond....fine...if not that's fine to...... None of them ever have taken to calling me the names you do...... Simply posting comments in response to someone's post is NOT trying to "force" anyone to do anything....... That's just another example of your irrational "reasoning"......
    Ohh my..... I bet you'll "think" I'm personally attacking you again....lol.....
     
  10. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    You have been exposed for who and what you are.
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  11. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Never mentioned anything to Apostolic.... Your imagination is overly active...... Go back an reread the posts..... I know.... Some people need to read things more than once to get it...

    You're the one that can't win "in the battle of ideas"...... That's the real reason you hate me and won't reply to post content.....because you don't even come close to being able.

    No need to "silence" you since you have nothing to say that reflects anything beyond the standard Republican talking points I hear everywhere........
    I will respond to any of your posts in the manner I see fit.....just as I do for any post by anyone else........ Nice to know you'll be reading all my replies looking for some imagined "personal attack" so you can use your smiley "finger" to get your revenge...lol

    You complain about people playing the "victim card" and here you are.....playing the poor abused "victim"...... "Boo hoo.... Pilot87 is being mean to me....sniffle".... "So I have to call him names so I can feel better about myself".......

    If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.........

    I now fully expect you to respond with more personal insults and your standard smiley "finger"...... You must comply....... Well..... I don't care if you don't....... But you know I'm right about you playing the "victim"......:6781:
     
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  12. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    By definition, you are just a troll. Disrupting each thread that you get involved in.
    A lot of forums throw the trolls out on their ass.
     
  13. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    It definitely needs "tweeking"...


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  14. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Haven't you heard the news???

    :6781:
     
  15. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Go away troll, you add nothing to this forum.
     
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  16. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Ohhhhh....trying to "silence the opposition"....

    :6781:.....

    Read it and heed it.....:6781:
     
  17. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Enough said.
     
  18. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Those aren't "rebates" they are subsidies on behalf of those who can't pay the full rate the Insurance companies charge..... But you are correct, it's paid for by taxpayer dollars.....
    It's NOT socialism at it's finest...... It's crony capitalism at its best........and the only wealth that's being distributed is from us to the to the top...... No one complains about the concentration of wealth to the top.....

    The Nations wealth needs to be distributed throughout society...... The Unions, at their apex of strength and influence, helped distribute some of the profits back to those who actually produce the products....and that is what basically built the strongest middle class in history....... Since then....the wealth has been increasingly concentrated to top....
     
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    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Read it and heed it.... :6781:
     
  20. Cerberus_Kelpie

    Cerberus_Kelpie Wings Over the World!

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    I, among many, find trump to be nothing close to resembling "A strong, firm leader" considering his historically (hysterically) inefficient business practices.
    He however can well be seen as another of the many "bad actors".

    "If You Want Peace, Prepare For War!"
     
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