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Discussion in 'Politics' started by jimmy g, Nov 13, 2015.

  1. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    The churches are the individual people. Read 2:3
    3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
     
  2. jimmy g

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    Slave, I understand that you are a collectivist, and tormented that I'm not. Here's the key: Jesus saves our Soul individually as we indivindually accept Him as our Savior. If we believe Jesus, No Church can save us- No man can either.
     
  3. pilot87

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    I could cite the figures and facts from where we were to where we are now....but you you would just keep repeating the same things as you always have....... "Obama's destroying the Country"......."Everything bad is the the Lefts fault"....especially Obama....and blah blah blah....
    All I can say it that if you believe that the Country was better off under Bush....especially his last term.....then you have been deceived by the propaganda that has permeated the media.....


    Just because Trump,so far, has been using his own money does not mean he, nor his motives, are as pure as the wind blown snow.... He is a multi-billionaire businessman....he is only interested in Trump and and how he can make things better for himself and other Billionaires..

    He blathers on and on about "Making America Great".....while out of the other side of his mouth he says Wages are to high here in this Country...He manufactures his Clothing line in Countries that pay very little in the way of wages....etc....So much for Making America great......It's just a simplistic platitude to sooth the masses....

    IF he is going to stay in the Presidential race....and it appears he will..... he will eventually resort to taking money....and he will become "beholden" to whomever...... There are other corrupting forces besides taking money.......

    Cruz is becoming a caricature of himself the more he goes along.........

    Just what is the "right" trying to do for the betterment of Society?.... I don't see much hope from the "Right" or the "left"..........


    Well...at least we can agree on that.......and yet you're terrified of Syrian widows and Orphans.....because they might be a Terrorist...or a Terrorist might have hidden is their luggage and landed here to kill you........

    If you think Trump or any of the other Tea Party Republicans running for President are going to stop terrorism from happening your truly mistaken.......and by the same token neither can any of those running on the "left".....

    I think we agree that the World is a very Dangerous place that is getting more Dangerous as we go along..........
     
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    Are you reading barry's teleprompter? Sure appears so....
     
  5. Bubba74

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    if $4.5 trillion in debt under Bush was bad, how is $10 trillion in new debt under Barry good?
    And no Bush's 2nd term was not good the Reps spent too much and strayed extremely far from and resemblance of conservative principals, lost at the ballot box in 2006 they things really went downhill

    As for Trump, we will see how that plays out
    Remember he is a businessman, profit is necessary for survival thus when making goods, going to look for the best deal
    Pretty sure Hilly and Bernies crap is not made in a union shop in Vermont

    That said what is the left doing for the betterment of society?
    The conservative right is trying to put us on a sound economic footing,and keep us safe
    The right is not inviting potential terrorists to move in next door
     
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    The level of National debt is going up....and has been rising..and will continue to rise without regard to "wins" the "election".. A signifcant part of the debt, besides an over bloated pentagon budget, is years and years of tax cuts....mostly that benefit the most wealthy.....and I'm sure that Corporations moving overseas and many more more sheltering trillions of dollars in offshore accounts contributes to rising debts....however, you're purposely evading the obvious that I was pointing out....

    Yes....time will tell how Trump will fare in the coming months...
    Yes....he's a bussinessman....that does not mean he will be a good politician or President.....however, for him as a presidential candidate, claiming he will "make America great" and claiming he's going to bring jobs back...and then has his products made overseas is rather incongruous..... Your excusing him as simply "looking for the best deal" is a big part of the problem....
    As far as Clinton and Sanders....neither of them are bussinesspersons....and they aren't operating any Companies that offshore profits and jobs....

    That's the problem......our Political System isn't working for the best interests of society overall..."left or "right".... We are where we are currently because both Parties have helped get us here....yes BOTH of them.....inspite the fact that think the "right" bears no responsibility...

    And you honestly believe that don't you?.... You firmly believe them when they blame everything bad on the fault of Democrats and the "left".... So of course you buy, unquestionably, into believing they are here to help you and your Family.....and when that doesn't happen....they can't be blamed because you have already been pre-conditioned to blame the failure on the "left"..... See how that works??.... And its real "beauty" is it also works for the "left" too.... Pretty cool huh? ....

    Neither is the left......
    The right-wing media is playing on peoples bigotry and fear....... Makes it easier to gin people up to support war and to give up more rights so we can be "safe, secure and protected"....complete with patriotic sounding names...like the "patriot act"...as an example...
     
  7. jimmy g

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    You could've just said socialism great, conservatism evil, and saved bandwidth.
     
  8. Bubba74

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    that is not true
    the treasury has been bringing in record revenues on a yearly basis
    the significant part of the debt is entitlement spending and spending overall
    our govt spends, then sees what revenue it gets then adds the remainder to the national debt
    It is a spending problem not a revenue problem

    that is a reality of the problem
    Pfizer moving to Ireland
    35% tax rate here, 12.5% tax rate there
    a business friendly environment there and anti business environment here

    never said the right bears no responsibility, in fact their lousy leadership in the 2000's gave us the worst president in US history (Barry O). The right had it all the presidency, the house, the senate and pissed it away, just like the Dems did when they had it all. They spent too much they did things to help bring us to this point.
    One thing ?I will give Bush credit for, when he wanted to do his amnesty and the people said no, he backed off, he actually listened to the people, Barry just keeps chugging along regardless of what the people say or want.

    you need to look at the history of the left and leftists
    it is built on over 200,000,000 corpses from the last century
    I want what I think most people want that is for the govt to get out of my way and let me live my life.
    If I want a toilet that uses 3 gal/flush fine
    If I want a lightbulb not filled with mercury great
    if I want a car made of metal that gets 11 mpg have at it
    I don't want to be taxed and "fee'd " to death
    I want the ability to make my own healthcare choices
    I want to be able to board an airplane without having a rectal exam (thank you GWB)
    I want to be left alone
    The conservatives on the right are giving me that message
    There are establishment Reps and every Dem candidate telling me the exact opposite
    See I know that the two parties are very intertwined, this time however there are exceptions on the right
    Jeb v Hilly- one in the same- the Rep establishment wants Jeb, they want their seat at the table, if a Trump, Carson or Cruz wins that seat is gone and they will never get it back .
     
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    Gold Star Post! !!
     
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    I could have....however, that would have been wrong......and secondly Bubba74 wouldn't have had the opportunity to make such a long post in reply... ( To which I will reply to later when I have more time)...You chastise me for long posts...but not anyone else.... Besides.... I noticed you read it anyway......
     
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    yeah but my posts are awesome
    filled with such wonderful information :1036316054:
     
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    I get a kick out of you bashing the right, praising the left, While claiming being against both. Its hilarious. ..
     
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    Prasing the left?.... Assigning blame for the mess this Nation is in on both parties is "praising the left"....?

    You seem to be having comprehension problems......but I'm glad I can still entertain you with such ease....

    Jimmy, I hope you and your Family have a great T-Day....... Enjoy and always be safe out there......
     
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    I comprehend perfectly. Happy Thanksgiving to you too. Go south. Third week in a row I'm dragging snow in from the West...
     
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    So are mine....just different wonderful information.....

    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your Family Bubba74....
     
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    Thanks...!...

    So it's your fault for the snow!.... You need to go south too and leave that snow out west where it belongs....but if you MUST.....drag it safely.....
     
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    Everything's my fault. I'm a husband, a son in law, a dad, a father in law, and a grandad. (And a whote Christinan Conservative who supports Israel ) I'm used to being blamed..
     
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    Same here..... Wouldn't change it for anything though!
     
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    HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE. GOD BLESS YOU ALL !
     
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    What happened to white Christian conservative who supports Israel? Somehow that got left out in your 'same here' quote????
     

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