Thank you falcanfan.... I appreciate your take on issues and I always appreciate your respectful replies..... Thank you. I keep myself busy, I don't always have the time to spend on here.... I've been traveling quite a bit lately.... Currently in Mexico....for the last several months... I have administrator duties on another forum in addition to playing tournament chess on a Worldwide chess site.... When I return stateside maybe I'll be able to post more... I have a lot of respect for Magoo, he puts up with a lot of crap on here.... Way over the top, in my opinion.... Goes outside of what is necessary to debate a topic.... Indeed it does...... Other scriptures tell us why that is and what the future outcome will be.... The problems we face today are beyond our being able to "fix" them... An indepth study is really required to fully comprehend the scope of the issues..... All this bickering over Democrats and Republicans are just a symptom of a larger issue.... I understand why you feel that way, however, if you look at things as only two deminsional, it then would seem logical that the "other side" must be right and good.... In today's world of corrupted political systems the "other side" isn't much better, if at all... The answer lies in being able to see the alternative..... You can see that the way people are today fits to a tee how it was for told thousands of years past..... It's not a stretch to also see how much other information contained in scripture is just as compelling.... Honestly, do you actually see any political resolution to any of humanities problems?.... I don't... Take this forum as an example..... Has any productive discussions on here changed anyone's mind about anything?... No, any one that dares to disagree with the prevailing narrative here is mocked.... So how can we expect anything to be better or different at the top political level?... We can see how that's working... or rather how it's not working... It was for told people today would be just as they were in the days of Noah... The book of Matthew tells us about the days of Noah..... People then "took no note". People today are the same.... They are not taking "note"..... Read the account, you will see its just as accurate and compelling as 2nd Timothy... As far as religion in our society today is even more varied than politics..... People reject it for a large part..... That's not because of "liberalism".... Or "conservatism"..... It's because people see Christians being not so Christian.... Or any other religious people acting in not so religious behavior..... It's not religion per say, as it's society rejecting God and his son Jesus..... Government, our Government is supposed to not sponsor a state religion.... So yes,that's why you don't see religion in schools........ God is not "out the window ".... Only if we, as individuals, shut him out of our lives.... I agree..... I'll add to that, a vote for any politician is a vote against God's standards... The politicians that claim publically their against abortion, gay marriage etc, have been known to be hypocrites as well..... Often they promote policy that is just as unchrist like as those that promote gay marriage for example..... Sorry about the long post..... Sometimes a "sound byte" just can't do..... Take care Falconfan!