Starting a new career at ABF

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  1. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, but this is a problem that they created by getting too greedy and now, rather than correct the problem in the proper manner (with higher pay) they are using us to solve their problem and keep our wages depressed below what they should be.
     
  2. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    I will agree with you that a program should've been started years ago. I consider it to be one of the "smoking guns" showing how short-sighted companies were in the decades following deregulation. And,......the Teamsters, no less. They should've been promoting an apprentice -style provision to the contract that would've addressed potential misuses and abuses of "trainees".

    Any additional type of employee,.....with their own pay scale and conditions,......should've been negotiated,....or at least, signed off and agreed to by some sort of negotiating committee. By allowing the employer to set up and run these programs,.....basically outside of the contract,...... they are setting up a "past practice" scenario for the next contract round of talks. The Teamsters should have input as to how,.....and how much pay,.....these new employees are receiving, and exactly how much revenue-producing work they can be involved with.

    Of course,....We all know how......"proactive"....our two disgraced and voted-out former Freight Directors were, as far as overseeing conditions and changes in the NMFA,....and the ABF NMFA. One can only hope that Mr. Soehl will insert himself into the dialogue and make sure that these new-hires,.....and new Teamsters,....aren't being abused and paid sub-standard wages. Allowing the company to create the pay and structure outside of the contract would've never happened 20 years ago. It's asking for a great leap of faith that ABF will "play fair" with these trainees. After the last contract debacle, where we were openly lied to,......... and then flagrantly smirked at once the contract got "approved",......and ABF got the green light to build new corporate headquarters for ArchBest and Panther,.....oh,...and corporate bonuses all around,..........It becomes a little hard to give ABF the benefit of the doubt that their "intentions" will remain pristine concerning these training programs.......... Hence, it becomes imperative that someone go out to the golf course and wake up Mr. Soehl dozing in the back seat of the cart,....... and let him know that ABF is setting up programs outside the contract, that PROBABLY should have his input on...........

    I have the perception that,......more out of desperation than any altruistic motive,.....ABF is trying to keep these training programs within potential contractual guidelines. There certainly is a good point that ABF,.....and every other LTL company out there,......is starting to regard LTL freight handling as a "skilled" occupation,......in dire need of highly trained and motivated people. But,....that only reinforces my opinion that the Teamsters NMFA negotiating committee take this as seriously as the employers do. Hello, Mr. Hoffa?,....Mr. Soehl?..........Reality on Line One, do you want to hold?
     
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  3. joes bar and grill

    joes bar and grill Well-Known Member

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    Almost every other trade union has an apprentice program, time to step up their game.
     
  4. Abfrocks

    Abfrocks Active Member

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    Well they will bring them in off the street. Never really made any money. Then they will say wow to all the money they make and will be Yes voters for life. Pretty sneaky plan ol Judy the d-bag has going on
     
  5. Homesick

    Homesick Active Member

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    I don't know as ABF has any other choice than to train their own drivers. ABF Atlanta has a city driver training program because the company is short drivers and no one seems willing to work for for them. We recently, end of last month, changed road transportation managers and the new one is saying the same thing the old one did; they can't get the drivers hired. To many problems with background checks, accidents and tickets, or drug test failures. But like most, I don't feel sorry for management at all, they made their choices and now have to live with the consequences.
     
  6. LTLAnonymous

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    Of course they don't have any other choice. They took too much last contract (or we rolled over and gave it to them), and now nobody wants to work for them. Such a shame that a once-proud company is in this position.
     
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  7. Boilerpeddle

    Boilerpeddle Drawing found in trailer

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    Part of me wants to say "screw you management, you are the reason for the driver shortage. Its not actually a driver shortage its a pay shortage"
    But the other part of me knows that by the time the industry figures this out and it corrects itself there will be no ABF to work at. Heck even with all these training programs there might not be and ABF to work at.
     
  8. LTLAnonymous

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    I think there will still be an ABF, but it will be a lot more like YRC than any of you will care for. And much like with a lot of the senior drivers at YRC, so many of you will be tied to your bid run or your seniority spot, and you'll just be stuck.

    The company's financial health was probably only third on my list of complaints when I quit, so maybe in the long run they did me a favor in pissing me off enough to leave.
     
  9. Homesick

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    I think ABF will be around for a long time. Consider this, Roy Slagle said ABF was so broke it 'wouldn't be able to meet payroll by the end of the month. ' And then they found the money. Then Roy said 'ABF will be out of business if it doesn't get some kind of cuts' . And when they got the cuts (pay, vacation, etc) the company increased its dividend to shareholders, gave bonuses to Roy and Judy, gave raises to most management personal, and more importantly, started putting money in its bank accounts and spending millions of dollars on purchasing other companies. My point being that ABF is a full grown and producing money tree to management.
     
  10. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely the truth! ABF is never going to show a huge profit ever. It has share holders for god sakes. ANY profits are going to be given to the shareholders period! Anyone who thinks we will ever show a real profit is living in a dream world. People do not invest in a company to not make money back. The investors made eight cents a share on the first quarter. Notice the investors also made three cents a share back before the last contract. Why are they getting 8 cents a share now? It's because the company does not have to show a profit to pay investors so why does it have to show a profit to pay their employees? It's all a game of hide and seek.
     
  11. tangledinmymind

    tangledinmymind New Member

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    This is a little off topic, but it does have to do with a career change. I an currently working at YRC, I just recently put in an application to work at ABF. What differences can I expect going from YRC to ABF? Are the benefits different? What is the pay scale there? Do they do turns, bids, and extra boards? Thanks
     
  12. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Since ABF and YRC were,....until the last negotiating session,........the last vestiges of the once mighty National Master Freight Agreement,......both contracts are very similar. Working rules, bids, and seniority will be identical.

    YRC signed several MOU's, which lowered wages and stopped full pension payments. One benefit you'll get is resumption of full pension payments if you're already vested. Very Important if you are older. Actually Important no matter what age you are. Full pay scale right now is $24.10, with a 2% raise on Aug. 1. Experienced new-hires,.....once you make seniority,...are 90% of full rate for one year, then full rate thereafter.

    Good Luck, Brother.
     
  13. tangledinmymind

    tangledinmymind New Member

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    Thanks for the information. I have had 2 jobs in the last 6 months. Would this be a problem for ABF? Granted I just started driving 6 months.What is the starting cents per mile for road drivers just starting there? Do the people at ABF such as the dispatchers and drivers like their jobs? Is it true that New hires have to wait 2 years before getting vacation pay? Are uniforms required there?
     
  14. Boilerpeddle

    Boilerpeddle Drawing found in trailer

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    I think you will need 1 year to hire on without going through the training program.

    Yes right now it is two years to get one week of vacation and 8 years for two weeks. That will probably change next year with the new contract.

    Uniforms are required officially for public facing workers. We successfully argued that all members should be provided uniforms on the grounds that its a pretty big benefit to have your clothing and laundry provided to you so why would a yard guy who will go through many more clothes than the average driver not get to have that same benefit. And then there is the part where they totally ignored the contract when providing uniforms but that's another matter.

    Some people love their jobs... some people hate their jobs and do their best to make everyone around them hate it too. Just like everywhere else in the world.
     
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    White Well-Known Member

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    Opinions on "City driver, full time, combined P&D and dock"? That is the ad posted in my area (smallish city=million person metro area). Would it be full time? I don't understand 10% er. Starting rate? Any info appreciated.
     
  16. BIG R GUY

    BIG R GUY COOP Dispatch GPS Division

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    10 percenter is the bottom 10 percent of the seniority list. You are not guaranteed daily work,but 8 hours when they do call you in. Some percenters work everyday,some don't. As far as pay,I think ABF is like yrc,and Holland. You start at 70-75 percent of full wages,which at ABF,I am guessing around 20 dollars an hour. You progress in your pay up to full scale in 2.5,to 3 years. The health insurance is real good,the pension,not so good,depending on which part of the country you are in...
     
  17. smart guy

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    Not like YRC. Start at 90% full scale at 1 year anniversary. Should start around $21.70 ish.
     
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  18. White

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    Thank you gentleman. The 10%er makes it a no go. I can respect the contract, so shouldn't be advertised as full time. Carry on.
     
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    Pro tips To get you started correctly in stubborn union fashion , when you get going as a linehauler, never forget to write down on your log all work you do as abf will never pay u for what u forgot to write down.
    + Other than the work call,at no time are you required to answer an ABF call on your cell or call them from your cell,No matter what the say.( they try to reroute us by calling us enroute) Avoid.
    + You're NOT required to wear their silly,neon safety vest. You'll see many drivers who do wear em although.
    + Find out who your stewards are and ask them anything at any time.
    + Don't lay out much or wreck during the probationary period.
    + much more upon request. Good luck.
     
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  20. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    All Good Advice!
     
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