T R U M P!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jimmy g, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Jimmy, I was just saying so far that's the way I see it playing out...but like I said, It's still very early yet.... You could be right about Walker....of the "underdogs" I think he has the greatest potential to pull ahead later.....He is a favorite of the Koch Brothers and they have pledged a lot of money ......

    I'll say this though.... Trump has added a lot of Energy and controversy into this campaign real early........ Sanders is also showing a stronger base of support from the Democrats than was probably expected....he is not as flamboyant as Trump, however...... As this progresses along...we may both have to change our "predictions" This is shaping up to be one of the most interesting campaigns in a long while....

    Stay tuned!..................
     
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  2. 20_yrs_2_go

    20_yrs_2_go Well-Known Member

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    republican party bosses ??? Oh you mean the koch brothers, Dont worry im sure trump is waiting to expose these 2 clowns and how they own at least 3 other gop candidates in this race
     
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  3. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Next year you guys will probably be cursing The Donald, he turned it all upside down and quit.
     
  4. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Landscape changed today. The Big Dog Walker is in the race. Already leads big in Iowa...
     
  5. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    He's got the Kock Bankroll working for him.
    In my opinion there are just too many in the race and there's more to come.
    Even the best qualified candidates will be overlooked in the circus.
    Fox will narrow it down to 10 candidates for their debate but 10 people will not get much time each to say much.I hope The Donald makes it there that will be a big shout fest. Big time Anger might get put on display
     
  6. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    They should all be in the debates...not just who Fox decides.....not all at the same debate perhaps....maybe they should split them up...half this debate the other half at another debate...mix them up so they all get a chance to debate each other....but Let Trump in every debate though...lol someones gotta stir the pot, so to speak.

    Not if "El Chapo" gets him first.... ..
     
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  7. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Landscaped changed.....but I predict Walker will still lose the Nomination......I think most are going to say he's not ready for the "big time" yet... The Kochs back him because he has been their loyal puppet and that is what they like in a "President".....and even IF he did win...Either Sanders or Clinton would beat him in the General....... My opinion, of course...
     
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  8. MuddleVanHeck

    MuddleVanHeck Active Member

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    A few thoughts on Trump: 1) He resonates with non-political types who just want to earn a living from both the right and left; 2) He happens to be right about almost everything; 3) He can make Mexico build the wall through taxation of remittances sent to Mexico; 4) The establishment GOP is working overtime to discredit him, which tells me their "plan" is on shaky ground.

    After saying all that, read this. From a strategic standpoint, now I see what worries these DC clowns:

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com...campaign-and-its-probably-not-what-you-think/
     
  9. a9faninnc

    a9faninnc Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I still couldnt vote for him at this point but its still a long ways to go.Funny how early the campaigning is starting.I guess it,s just a testament to everyone looking for a new administration.
     
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  10. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    First, I disagree.

    Second and my point; Koch Industries is a fantastic charity. What is it David Koch does is so bad? Its not like he does data mining like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Or Soros' Open Society that he has used to destroy four economies. Koch funds hospitals, PBS documentaries and NAACP grants, besides fiscally responsible candidates. They rank 56th in political contributions (SEIU Is #1) and unions are 7 of the top 13. Why all the hate for the Kochs???? Frankly, I wish they weren't so Liberal...

    http://www.kochind.com/
     
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    a9faninnc Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Harry Reid told them to hate Kochs..
     
  12. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    :smiliewhs:

    Yep. They're just good little sheep following orders.
     
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  13. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    No surprise........

    What did I say in my post that expressed "hate" for Koch Industries? ..... I only mentioned that Walker is a favorite of the Kochs and that is why they support him........ Why all the sensitivity anytime someone even imagines that anything negative was said or implied about the Koch brothers? ..


    We have already had a non-productive discussion about what "Dark money " is...and the different rules that apply to Donors and what must be reported...or disclosed....and that is the reason that the figures that you mention are not fully true.....Of course it supports your view....so naturally you hold to that as fact....With that being said.... I'll go back to my post that you replied to in which I didn't make any mention of how much the Kochs donate politically......once again.... I only mentioned their support of Walker.....Which could prove to be quite beneficial to him.....

    What the Koch brothers do politically.....along with any other Billionaire, is that they use their immense wealth to buy political influence....which means that they have to buy Politicians....When the wealthy, whether it's the Koch Brothers, or any of the ones you mentioned, use their wealth to corrupt the Political System that is bad for all of us.....regardless of what Political "flavor" you subscribe to......... ....... It's not about who spends more than the other.....It's the fact that they do it.....

    The Kochs "Liberal"?? Seriously?.... lol.... I don't think the Kochs would appreciate anyone thinking of them as "Liberal".....
     
  14. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    If your only source of Information comes from Fox or other right-wing sources and you believe what they say as "Fact" then that makes those such people just as much "Sheep" as those that only rely on Left-wing sources........ ... There are "sheep" on both sides........
     
  15. MuddleVanHeck

    MuddleVanHeck Active Member

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    Pilot says: "What did I say in my post that expressed "hate" for Koch Industries? ..... I only mentioned that Walker is a favorite of the Kochs and that is why they support him........ Why all the sensitivity anytime someone even imagines that anything negative was said or implied about the Koch brothers?"

    Me: It makes sense that Walker would be amongst the favorites. At least it does when you look at the track record and lies from the other candidates.

    Pilot: "We have already had a non-productive discussion about what "Dark money " is...and the different rules that apply to Donors and what must be reported...or disclosed....and that is the reason that the figures that you mention are not fully true.....Of course it supports your view....so naturally you hold to that as fact....With that being said.... I'll go back to my post that you replied to in which I didn't make any mention of how much the Kochs donate politically......once again.... I only mentioned their support of Walker.....Which could prove to be quite beneficial to him"

    Me: Well, the Clintons and Obama are guilty of taking "foreign" money, which is FAR worse, and we won't even mention the Democracy Alliance and about 150 different organizations Soros funnels money to in order to overthrow the U.S.

    Pilot: "What the Koch brothers do politically.....along with any other Billionaire, is that they use their immense wealth to buy political influence....which means that they have to buy Politicians....When the wealthy, whether it's the Koch Brothers, or any of the ones you mentioned, use their wealth to corrupt the Political System that is bad for all of us.....regardless of what Political "flavor" you subscribe to......... ....... It's not about who spends more than the other.....It's the fact that they do it."

    Me: Don't hate the player, hate the game! I'm glad some billionaire's money is there to counter the hard left and their quest for power. The conservatives are typically middle-class earners -- hardly wealthy enough to answer to Soros' money. Or foreigners, for that matter. Are you suggesting that we allow the commies/socialists/Occupy Wall Street-types to have the only influence in our elections? Why do you wish to shut down our side? That's not how democracy is supposed to work.

    Pilot: "The Kochs "Liberal"?? Seriously?.... lol.... I don't think the Kochs would appreciate anyone thinking of them as 'Liberal'."

    Me: Open borders, gay marriage, legalization of drugs... sounds like right-wingers to me. :)
     
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  16. MuddleVanHeck

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    Pardon me, but when you bring up Fox News, you kind of lose the debate.

    The media is nothing if not the propaganda division of the DNC. When a better actor enters the market, let me know, because Fox News is fairly liberal and only reports a fraction of what is happening, which is why we're so 'dumbed down.'

    Besides, if we wait for MSNBC or George Stephenoupolis to report the "news," we're going to be old and gray -- probably dead.

    State-run media is what we're stuck with in America, land of the free, the First Amendment and so-called "free press."
     
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    Just for fun, show me the networks the Koch's run their money through. They're pretty transparent, including disclosing their intentions of spending a certain dollar amount to fight these left-wing loons and anarchists. Most of their charity is spent on things like hospitals for the poor.

    Here's some of Soros' "charity" all designed to overthrow our democracy and profit from our collapse. There's actual videos available where he admits that, btw. You won't see him building any hospitals or homeless shelters though...

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237
     
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  18. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Pardon me, I wasn't "debating".... I was making a point that people who depend on only once source as "fact" can be considered as "sheep".....and I was careful in pointing out Right-wing and left-wing sources.........

    The media is nothing more than the propaganda division of Corporate America.....Which I suppose you could include the DNC in along with the RNC as well...... If you think that right now, the best "actor" in the market is Fox.....and they're "fairly liberal"....but only report a fraction of what is happening..and you attribute that to our being "dumbed down" then why do you, with your conservative views, bother to watch?.....Do you watch any other source of media other than Right-wing programing?... Why do you defend Fox News if you feel they are just part of the "State-run media"? that is "dumbing" us down?

    I will agree that we are "dumbed down" as a society .......What is referred to as "Mainstream media" is all Corporate controlled media....They love the division that is caused by polarizing the masses between this right vs left nonsense....

    Corporate run media...Just as bad though.....I agree about MSNBC.......they are all part of the problem...The Left Blames the Right for all that's bad....and the Right blames the left for all that's bad....and we, the people, are all caught up in the polarizing nonsense of it..totally distracted about what is going on..... Everyone must have a "label"....If you're not "liberal" then you must be "conservative" and vice versa...or if you're not one of those labels..then you must be a "Marxist communist"..... If you don't label yourself...someone will label you and then attack you based on the label they choose for you.....We live in a Nation of labels.....and that just serves to divide the masses..... Divided we are more easily "conquered".. and I have not seen this level of division in my memories..... ..
     
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    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    The Kochs Brothers are longtime opponents of campaign disclosure laws. Unlike Political Parties, their network is made up of mostly nonprofit groups that are not required to reveal donors. They run most of their political activity through a network of 501(c)(4) and 501(c)(6) nonprofits, the majority of which spend money directly on elections or fund those that do......That makes it almost impossible to tell how much of the money is actually provided by the Kochs..... Do they have some Transparent "networks"? sure... They do want to create the illusion of total transparency ...which deflects attention away from the not so transparent networks......

    Unions on the other hand, for example, are organized under section 501(c) (5) which must disclose their donors to the Labor Department.........Better transparency....

    Yes indeed they are transparent about their pledge to spend nearly a billion dollars to influence the Presidential election year cycle....
    you use the term "anarchists".. Anarchism is a political theory or ideology that favors the abolition of governments.... From the posts that I read on here wanting and wishing for the "Government to leave me alone"....the wanting of removing restrictions ...just let them do what they want...and don't dare tax me...etc etc....That more aptly describes the Right-wing as the anarchists... The "left-wing loons" are the ones always accused of wanting more Government control....

    As far as the Koch Brothers and their charity.....There is a difference between charity and Political influence....Its all well and good that they build hospitals for the poor......or whatever........ But I'll remind you that just because they have some charitable works....that doesn't mean they are looking out for the best interests of the Nation as a whole..... That would be similar to saying that since "El Chapo" Guzman gives money to build roads and hospitals and all the good charitable works he is known for, that makes him a great humanitarian... ...( I'm not comparing the Kochs to "El Chapo"....just using that as way to make a point that charity isn't always a marker of benevolence)

    Anytime the Kochs are mentioned......Someone always have to bring up Soros....as if that somehow justifies the Kochs using their wealth to buy political power and influence..... I have said this before..... I don't agree with any Billionaires buying the Political System..... It's just as wrong when Soros does it as it is when the Kochs do it..... I'm not excusing...nor making excuses, for either of them...or any other billionaires either......

    So you can criticize Soros all you want......it doesn't really mean that much to me....I'm not defending his purchasing of political influence......... The billionaire class are only interested in what will make them more money.....they do not care about you any more than they do me.....You can be sure that the influence they buy will be to benefit them....not us......but I'm sure they do appreciate your defending them........but then again...maybe not........
     
  20. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Ok.... So that somehow excuses The Kochs then......Clinton and Obama are WORSE...so that magically makes the other sides wrongs ok...... The USA is already an Oligarchy.........

    Who said I "hate" the "Player"?..... I never said that I "Hated" any of them.....I think I was clear enough to indicate that I was Blaming the "Game"...the "game" that has been put into place by those in the big money club.....

    You say you're glad that some billionaires money is out there to offset the hard lefts quest for power.....What about the hard rights quest for power...?? They both are battling for power......and the power and influence they buy isn't going to be used to see to our best interests......Like I said.....Billionaires buying Political influence isn't good for you nor I....regardless of which Billionaire it is......But if that is what makes you feel secure and happy...then that's fine by me.......

    Liberals are also made up of largely the same middle-class earners......also without the wealth to overcome the Billionaire class wealth..... without regard to who or where it came from..... That is the Problem..... People like you and I have no representation.....no one looking out for our best interests.....because of the fact that our Political System has been bought by the Wealthy and the Corporate elite...... The "commies/socialists/Occupy wall Street types" have no influence..... they're just tossed into the mix as another dividing component...beyond the "Left vs Right" silliness....

    What I'm "suggesting" is the fact Huge amounts of money in the Political system has totally corrupted the entire system from top to bottom and we can not possibly "elect" our way out of it........

    You come on here, as does everyone else, and "voice" your opinions and views.....why is it that when I do the same....I'm somehow wishing to "shut down" your side???...... .... Does this mean that you expressing your points of view means your wishing to shut down the other side??... ... Is it "democracy" when a point of view that you don't agree with suddenly becomes a "wish to shut down your side"?.... Being a wee bit over dramatic aren't you?....

    Speaking of "Democracy"..... When Billionaires are buying Politicians and corrupting the system is that how "democracy" supposed to work??.....
     

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