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  1. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Pilot you always complain of the Marxist label. Then espouse virtually every tenet of Marxism in your posts. As I said repeatedly, I don't say it as an insult. I say it because it's an apt description. A dog can be called a cat all day- its still a dog... You never attack any entity that is from the left. Always from the right. Then add your disclaimer.. Everyone sees it but you.
     
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  2. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Donald Trump still has a money problem, no matter how rich he is
    donald-trump-still-has-a-money-problem--no-matter-how-rich-he-is-213525907

    Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton both have deep, elaborate fundraising networks that could help each build a war chest of $1 billion or more in total spending by Election Day 2016. That’s par for the course these days: In 2012, Democrats raised $1.1 billion in support of Barack Obama, while Republicans raised $1.2 billion backing Mitt Romney.

    Trump is self-financing his campaing, a la Ross Perot in 1992. He has loaned the campaign $1.8 million so far, and spent about $1.5 million.

    One can only guess how much of his own money Trump is willing to spend on a quixotic political campaign, but $100 million would be a lot. Perot spent $64 million of his own money running in 1992, which would be about $108 million today. The amount Trump spends will largely be dictated by how long he stays in the race and how competitive he wants to be.




    The Donald is going to need whats in your wallet if you want him to compete
     
  3. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    John McCain’s Dismay Over Donald Trump
    by Ryan Lizza

    The Senator is up for reëlection in 2016 and he pays close attention to how the issue of immigration is playing in his state. He was particularly rankled by Trump’s rally. “This performance with our friend out in Phoenix is very hurtful to me,” McCain said. “Because what he did was he fired up the crazies.”
     
  4. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    McCain's going down this time..
     
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  5. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Jimmy, The difference is I don't give that label to myself....that is a label that you give to me....and then use it to make assertions that misrepresent me....... I have told you many many times that I don't believe that Marxism is any more viable as an alternative form of Governance.....It is just like the other forms of governments and economic systems that are tried Globally.... they have failed...or are in the process of failing..... Our form of Governing is no exception..... Scripture bears this out as it clearly states that it is not for a man to even direct his own footsteps....Jeremiah 10:23..... The truth in that is obvious....
    I have not denied that I am way to the "left" of you in how you believe..... We should be taking care of those in Society that are less fortunate....We should be using resources to help people...not destroy them...... but I also have been just as clear in the fact that I do not put my hope or trust in any Politician, Political party or ideology, to bring about a lasting solution to the grave situations that the World is facing......
    If you feel the need to give me the "Marxist" label....fine....but I do not think that "Marxism" is a cure or solution to the problems we all face.... Communism/Marxism was tried and failed..... While I may prefer to hear what Sanders has to say over what
    Trump has to say......that does by no means, mean that I actually think Sanders can change this country for the better...much less the deteriorating conditions around the World, than Trump can....... That is why I support none of them.... Supporting the failing Political system isn't going to change things in the long term..... We are unquestionably in the "last days"..or the "End times" for this Worldwide system of human Governance.....

    As far as not 'attacking" anything from the left....that isn't true.... I have criticized Obama and Obamacare..The Democratic party, along with the entire Political and Economic Systems........ I have stated many times that the Political parties are ALL corrupted.... I think that is a pretty good bipartisan "attack"..... They ALL march to the beat of their owners.....Even Trump will either bend to them..or he will be out.....just like Obama did.....He was all about "Main street" but when the rubber hit the road, so to speak....he forgot about the needs of Main street...but has taken care of Wall Street pretty well.... The rich have gotten richer and the poor have become poorer..... Sanders speaks to those that are frustrated by what they blame on the "right".....just as Trump is capitalizing on what he sees as a frustrated Right-wing base due to the direction that things are going.....IF by some off chance either one of them gets "elected"... they will bend to the will of those who own the System that they are a part of.....Just as you saw Obama do....

    So if that makes me a "Marxist" in your view and you feel it necessary to give me that label.....that is up to you..... I guess in your opinion everyone must have a Label..... I only ask that you don't give me the label that you have chosen for yourself....

    Jimmy. I know you mean calling me a "Marxist" isn't meant as an Insult.... I don't take it that way...I understand that is how you choose to see me....... I just disagree....nothing more...................

    Take care...have a great day...be safe!
     
  6. jimmy g

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    You made my points. I stand by my post. I'm sure we'll discuss this again...:1904:
     
  7. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Some people are ashamed of their stance, so they can't admit to their true beliefs.
     
  8. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Wrong. All he needs is our vote in 2016. No money needed, just a vote. It doesn't cost him a penny to keep appearing on the news programs.......all while his polling numbers continue to rise.
     
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    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Is Juan McCain going to run as a Republican or an Obama Democrat? It's a toss up.
     
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    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Your only criticism of the above mentioned are said in generalities. That's as far as you ever go. You have no problem using details and names when bashing a Republican, but only use generalities when you make your attempt at being fair and balanced. Sorry, but the rest of us see right through it.
    Stand tall. Don't hide from your beliefs.
     
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  11. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    With the utmost respect Northern Flash, I think my post pretty well stated what my "Stance" is..... Because it doesn't fit with your view that we all must wear some Political Label....I am either assigned a label..and then "attacked" on the label chosen for me....OR...in your case...It translates to being "ashamed" and can't admit to my "true beliefs".....

    Go back..reread my post... I spelled it clearly what I believe about the Political System...... IF I was "ashamed" or not able to admit my true beliefs....I would not have posted them..... If I was afraid...I'd be agreeing with everything you and everyone here says...... It's always easier to go with the crowd than voice an opposing point of view......

    If you wish to say that about me....that's fine....... I don't agree with it in the least....
     
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  12. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    You try to sound like you don't like either political party, but it's not up for debate on which side you fall.......every single post of yours places you way over to the left. So clearly you either don't realize that you are a leftist and a Democrat, or you think that you are fooling us. Sorry......it's not working.
     
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    Any Republican candidate that tries to put down or humiliate Trump can kiss their chance,s good-bye.Not saying they have to agree with him on everything but his message has resonated with alot of voters.It would serve them well not to go toe to toe with.They should sit back and see if he loses some momentum..Perry is toast,he dont have a chance.
     
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  14. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Its easy for you guys to think people are way over to the left from the spot your standing
     
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  15. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    They need to wait him out until he fizzles but it's their time to raise funds and build networks, time is precious. The people who they want to endorse them might get scooped up by someone else
     
  16. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    You miss the point.... It's not a matter of whether or not I "like" any party....yes...and I have never said that my view of how we should behave as a society is far to the "left" of how you think it should be...... Personally I prefer to hear what Sanders has to say as opposed to any current Republican....including Trump... I am not making that some "secret"..... The diffrence....and I've been consistent about....is that I don't put my hope and faith in either of them...nor any other "leader" to actually solve the problems that we face....and not just here... The World is awash in crisis.... I don't believe that any political party or leader can bring about the solutions....... There is a difference between expressing an opinion on a political matter and supporting the process that is unquestionably corrupted..... That doesn't make me a Democrat....if I were...I'd be on here saying so....and fully supporting them as the anwser to our problems.... As you can, or should be able to see, is that inspite of which party is in power...conditions continue to deteriorate....... I have quoted biblical scripture that describes the conditions that are present today...and it gives the solutions..... The American political system of "right vs "left" isn't mentioned as being able to solve our Countries problems....much less those around the World......That is why I've always noted that I don't support any political party...or politican as being able to solve our problems..... I understand the passion you have for your views and taking a "stance" for them.... You have a vested interest because your only hope of something better rests in the hands of our politicians...and political system.... My hope frees me from those frustrations..
    We live in a World of labels....if you want to call me a "democrat"...that's your prerogative....it doesn't make it so....If Jimmy wants to label me a "Marxist"...fine..... It doesn't make it so....it only makes it your opinion...

    I hope you more clearly see the difference between expressing opinion...and expressing support... That is why I've maintained the fact that I don't put my trust in the corrupted system and that my hope for better future rests beyond the corrupted mess of the Worlds political and economic systems...
    Btw....since I have your attention... I owe you an apology for my uncalled for disrespect in some of my posts in the recent past..... ...
     
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    jimmy g Kook

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    I don't 'label' you a Marxist, pilot. For the 100th time, what I do is point out that every view/desire that you say government should do comes from Marx's writings and directions. Almost everyone on here sees that. No 'labeling' needed...

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

    I can match your posts to the sentences...
     
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  18. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    You might just want to worry about your own party's candidates since the front runners are a devoted Socialist and a devoted liar. Good luck winning with either of them. The American people won't elect either one.
     
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    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Our opinion is based on your own posts. You formed our opinion of your stance.

    Look at our assessment of you in a positive manner. We didn't charge you anything for your own personal analysis. Typically our professional analysis has a huge fee.

    Accepted......but I still disagree with almost everything you post. :biglaugh:
     
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  20. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I'm betting they do.
    Oh your man Trump just insulted McCain said he's no war hero. Anybody that was caught is no hero to Trump.
    AMES, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump criticized Arizona Sen. John McCain's military record Saturday, saying he was a "war hero because he was captured
    Speaking at a conference of religious conservatives in Iowa, Trump was pressed on his recent description of the 2008 Republican presidential nominee as "a dummy."

    McCain served as a Navy pilot during the Vietnam War. He was captured after his plane was shot down and was held more than five years as a prisoner of war. The moderator, Republican pollster Frank Luntz, described McCain as "a war hero."

    Trump said McCain "is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured." The comment drew some boos from the audience.
     

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