Teamsters in heated talks with UPS over new contract

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  1. Freightmaster1

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  2. Toby

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    Here is something to pay attention to in this.. technology and discipline and use of personal vehicles... in many ways doing the personal vehicle thing could undermine the union and make a pathway to independent contractor language... for freight that could translate and don’t doubt it since it has already been done... more Carthage

    “The International Union, led by IBT President James P. “Jim” Hoffa, had put forward strong language to strengthen Article 6 regarding technological changes. That had included a ban on UPS using drones or driverless vehicles.

    But Denis Taylor, who heads the union’s small package division, pulled that proposal to ban UPS drones or driverless vehicles. Taylor also withdrew a contract proposal that would prohibit management from disciplining employees, solely based on technology.

    The union is still seeking to prevent UPS from firing or suspending employees based solely on technology. It adds new language that makes it clear that “failure to follow proper procedures” does not constitute dishonesty for the purposes of discipline.

    The union and UPS are negotiating over the future of Surepost, a partnership with the U.S. Postal Service that the union fears would cause job losses. The Teamsters want to eliminate Surepost and require that work to be performed by Teamsters. UPS wants to expand that partnership.

    UPS also is pushing language that would require all new employees to use their personal vehicles to deliver packages. The Package Division has objected to any use of Personal Vehicle Drivers (PVDs).

    The company also wants flexibility to allow management to designate up to 20 percent of the routes in each center as a residential route. Drivers on residential routes would be paid at a lower rate than regular parcel delivery personnel.”
     
  3. Elwood

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    Insurance liabilities and the need for business licenses in most, if not all states make this unlikely.
     
  4. Toby

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    Amazon Flex - that is the independent arm of small package for amazon. The sub contractor takes on the insurance issue and if they so choose business license or llc status’s. Works along same model as Uber or messenger.
     
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    What do they mean by "heated talks"? Does that mean they're enjoying a heated pool at some resort somewhere?
     
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    twisted-hippie Why do we park in driveways & drive on parkways?

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    Which one is Wong?
     
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    twisted-hippie Why do we park in driveways & drive on parkways?

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    Not sure, I do see a set of steel-toe high heels. :stirthepot:
     
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    As actuarial data is gathered, insurance companies will evaluate and determine the risk associated. If they can make a profit with undue risk, they will make coverage available. Based on the performance criteria UPS has in place for employees, I don’t see insurance companies participating without attempting to dive into UPS’s deep pockets.
     
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    The one with 15% less cloths on
     
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    El, I get where you are coming from with the insurance side of it, but this model has already been in effect for a while now with Flex and other messengers services. With Flex they have many options, it is not only Joe Blow and his car doing a ‘Block’, they also sub out to services that have a fleet of vans. Most people think they are only getting their Amazon crap by UPS, Fed Ex, USPS, but The largest volume of deliveries is done through their in house Flex program. All of that is done with independent contractors delivering in two and four hour time blocks.

    These contractors take on the additional insurance cost as well as all operating costs. And if done right can make up around $25 hr doing so. I have done many split blocks and yes I have additional insurance. The contractors with the vans I mentioned get daily routes that include freight of various size not just small package. The thing about this model that works is that it cuts the overall operating cost down of the company not having to deal with fuel cost, additional vehicle cost, and the Biggie Labor cost. They do not have to negotiate with Hoffa and crew nor the corruption that is involved with said person. Just look at that guy in Chicago for example that is posted here.

    By having a steady stream of available workforce that they can increase or decrease per volume of business it allows more flexibility as well. I know it goes against the whole Union model, but for many people that model is looked upon as outdated and corrupt. Don’t hate on me for saying this, because it is true. I also have driven over 3,000 Uber/Lyft rides in a major market and I have had riders that range from freight brokers to executives in just about all industries to independent truck drivers. And I talk with all of them about the changing times. I am going to say this and please don’t hate me, but they all by concession agree that the Unions have had their day and place, but are a slowly dying breed. They don’t blame the members so much, but they do blame the leadership and how they think it’s the 1950’s still in the 21st gig economy. What I have talked with them about YRC alone would blow your mind away, and yes they are aware of the problems at this company.

    Point being times are changing and a company like UPS and others are looking to adapt to it. From this article you can see that the Union backed down on a few things so far. They may advance in other areas, but they are going to have to be very creative and to tell you the truth I don’t think guys will be to keen on some of the changes coming. That includes freight in 19’.

    The technology rules we have now protect us enough we can’t be disciplined with them, but YRC is all about discipline so I do believe their will be some changes there as well. Especially with the ELDs now on line tracking our every move.

    As far as insurance cost, it added $50 a month on to my bill for both rideshare insurance and comercial limited liability. Amazon, Uber, Lyft carry the difference with their insurance while on their platforms. Also while driving I have talked to so many people who have been burned by companies like YRC and others and have now left those companies and are pursuing their own thing or changing careers all together and welcome the flexibility and availablility of work like I mentioned. It’s nice for them not to be tied to a 9-5 corporate job like YRC and I tell you some are making similar numbers to what is offered here. Sure they may not have the same insurance package, but will we after 19’? Retirement hmmm haven’t we been froze since 2009? You can invest on your own and get a better return than what the union offers anymore.. flexibility to peruse your own thing, time with the family, etc.....
     
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    As far as operating models YRC is operating a 30 year plus old model. With the labor and rolling stock issues across the board in all the divisions as well as all the damaged and lost freight it’s starting to take a toll. Speaking with the brokers as I have this is a major issue and if YRC and Family don’t turn it around soon they are going to have problems.

    Now those independent truck drivers (mostly Eastern Europeans) to tell you the truth I speak with haul a crap load of Amazon and other freight. They want nothing to do with the unions as they seen what they are like back home. The industry as we all know is changing and the workforce by and large is getting filled with those that have emigrated from Eastern Europe. Now add in the new player on the block Uber freight that is going up against the brokers like they did against taxis. Their ability to match on the fly is incredible in the rideshare market and once they get that way with freight the independents wheels will not stop turning compared to days of old. I have spoken with drivers already on that platform and they have told me the rematch of loads is faster than the traditional brokers with less dead head. The brokers I have spoken to all have talked about the lack of availability right now of rollingstock and drivers. They are starting to jack up prices to shippers as a result and are having a hard time getting full truck load space. So when I said in another post that there is no reason YRC shouldn’t be making money right now I meant it.. if this company can’t make money right now in the current market there are more serious issues involved than even we can speculate.

    As a matter of fact I am driving to the airport this morning the CEO of the company that runs all the logistics warehouses on airport properties around the nation. I drive him 3 times a week when he flys out on day trips to Miami, New York, Boston and elsewhere. Been driving him exclusively for months now and we have talked extensively about YRC and let’s just say it’s not in a good light for YRC..
     
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    I'm the one Holding the Coffee Cup !
     
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    UPS Driver's stay strong & stand tall ,don't be a yes SHEEP !!
     
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    Many points, well taken. I’m not ‘a hater,’ evident in my posts. I am all for finding flexibility options with work. I have stated, ‘we are ambulatory fossils,’ and most fully realize we are approaching the end of an era.
    I reference the FedEx Ground model as my concern for the welfare of all who choose to become involved in ‘Flex’ or any such similar situation.

    You are well versed, but I have a somewhat short attention span. Posts of more than a hundred words cause me to lose focus.

    Cheers
     
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    A hundred words? Crap, I better start counting! :smile new:
     
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    I really and dearly would like to keep it to 100 words.. have a real hard time doing so, just check out some of my old posts in the politics section... lol
     
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    I have to agree. If the post goes beyond a paragraph, I lose interest.
     
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