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I am a Fedex freight driver and i am curious what is the hang up with the contract, what are your guys unhappy about and what are you looking for. This came on kind of sudddenly for us and nobody saw it coming until Thursday last week
 
I am a Fedex freight driver and i am curious what is the hang up with the contract, what are your guys unhappy about and what are you looking for. This came on kind of sudddenly for us and nobody saw it coming until Thursday last week
I believe the hang up is mostly the two tier pay scale like Parcel just passed in their contract and also sub contracting issues.
 
In 2013 the vote completely flipped when we were facing a strike.

An overwhelming no vote by mail on the first vote became an overwhelming yes on the second vote.

The same is likely to happen this year. The majority of employees are not looking to strike right before the holidays in the freezing cold.

There is a very vocal minority on the internet but the silent majority are going to vote with their wallets and not with their hearts. It's just human nature.

It happened in 2013 and it's going to happen again in 2018.
 
In 2013 the vote completely flipped when we were facing a strike.

An overwhelming no vote by mail on the first vote became an overwhelming yes on the second vote.

The same is likely to happen this year. The majority of employees are not looking to strike right before the holidays in the freezing cold.

There is a very vocal minority on the internet but the silent majority are going to vote with their wallets and not with their hearts. It's just human nature.

It happened in 2013 and it's going to happen again in 2018.
Agree 100 percent, Most people live pay check to pay check and nobody wants to see the out come of a strike
 
The truth is there is NO Consensus From east coast to west coast on exactly what in the Hell is the Hang-up on this contract. Most of what you hear from the TDU and east coast UPSF workers is they want $5 hr over the 5 year contract and eliminating Sub contractors for Linehaul. Then there is the 2 tier conspiracy beliefs but no one can point to the Language in the proposal that substantiates those claims. Out here in the west the main issue is forced over time for Dock workers. Then there are a few rational voices touting starting wages and Basic benefits that non union companies provide that Ups has held onto from the past. The Teamsters Locals are LAZY and ineffective at communicating with the members and thus here we are ready to throw it all away because of the Entitled socialist sect of the Union has resurrected itself from 1970 and is planning on Striking a company that will have ZERO freight at its facility's come Thursday. This train wreck has not even made the evening news or the internet home page news feeds. That speaks volumes.
 
The truth is there is NO Consensus From east coast to west coast on exactly what in the Hell is the Hang-up on this contract. Most of what you hear from the TDU and east coast UPSF workers is they want $5 hr over the 5 year contract and eliminating Sub contractors for Linehaul. Then there is the 2 tier conspiracy beliefs but no one can point to the Language in the proposal that substantiates those claims. Out here in the west the main issue is forced over time for Dock workers. Then there are a few rational voices touting starting wages and Basic benefits that non union companies provide that Ups has held onto from the past. The Teamsters Locals are LAZY and ineffective at communicating with the members and thus here we are ready to throw it all away because of the Entitled socialist sect of the Union has resurrected itself from 1970 and is planning on Striking a company that will have ZERO freight at its facility's come Thursday. This train wreck has not even made the evening news or the internet home page news feeds. That speaks volumes.
But sometimes subcontractors make good business sense —if you have 200000 lbs of outbound freight and only 100000 lbs of inbound its costing a lot of money to bring 2 or 3 linehauls home empty whereas you only have to pay a sub to go one way
 
maybe the "entitled socialist sect" realizes they can get a comparable job in a day, and they dont want to pay dues to a union that refuses to act like a union. the whole point of paying union dues is to try and negotiate higher than average market rates for your bargaining unit, if the ibt wont fight for better wages, why fightups with your hands tied, go down to fxf or odfl and they will give you comparable wages.
 
maybe the "entitled socialist sect" realizes they can get a comparable job in a day, and they dont want to pay dues to a union that refuses to act like a union. the whole point of paying union dues is to try and negotiate higher than average market rates for your bargaining unit, if the ibt wont fight for better wages, why fightups with your hands tied, go down to fxf or odfl and they will give you comparable wages.
You will not get a comparable wage at the competition. you will get $22.58 with experience a bit more in the high cost of living areas and you will pay up to $500 bucks a month for health benefits with a high deductible and high max out of pocket. not to mention ZERO pension. Dock workers with no CDL will make no more than $15 per hour to start. on what planet do think that is comparable to our current top Rates?
 
You will not get a comparable wage at the competition. you will get $22.58 with experience a bit more in the high cost of living areas and you will pay up to $500 bucks a month for health benefits with a high deductible and high max out of pocket. not to mention ZERO pension. Dock workers with no CDL will make no more than $15 per hour to start. on what planet do think that is comparable to our current top Rates?
hold on there son! what is your top wage and what do you think ours is?.......at Fedex Freight.....also can I just add this past week was my longest week in 2 years at 4.78 hours overtime, if there if one thing I feel bad for the UPS FREIGHT drivers by us its that they all work 12 hour days, to me thats worth striking for.....
 
ok I'm good with that, I am just trying to understand it, the only thing I have ever heard the UPS drivers around us complain about is the long hours. This strike talk came as a shock to us and it just popped up out of nowhere...
Its because we voted down the first contract offer and now our contract extension expires November 11 and the IBT would not give UPS another Extension so if we reject this last best final contract offer we could potentially strike and the company had to prepare for it. The issues were long hours that have been addressed in the new offer, the sticking points for the members are sub contracting and the two tier pay scale for new hires.
 
You will not get a comparable wage at the competition. you will get $22.58 with experience a bit more in the high cost of living areas and you will pay up to $500 bucks a month for health benefits with a high deductible and high max out of pocket. not to mention ZERO pension. Dock workers with no CDL will make no more than $15 per hour to start. on what planet do think that is comparable to our current top Rates?


keep pretending your wages at upsf are any higher, the company and ibt love that. r&l, odfl, estes, adp, ward, all paying around 25 to start, maybe more. your bennies are nice, but not worth rolling over and accepting 2 tier wages for.
 
keep pretending your wages at upsf are any higher, the company and ibt love that. r&l, odfl, estes, adp, ward, all paying around 25 to start, maybe more. your bennies are nice, but not worth rolling over and accepting 2 tier wages for.
Its a damn shame that parcel excepted this. Now we own it......period!
 
Its a damn shame that parcel excepted this. Now we own it......period!


thats only an opinion, imo, they rejected it, but so many are fed up with weak union bargaining they no longer care. what the ibt has been doing is a slap in the face to every trucker across the country, union or not.

the international didnt have to accept the crap package contract, they wanted to so they could let ups strongarm freight into capitulation.


this was the last "good" union contract held by the ibt, they just gave it away.
 
I'm gonna ask a very controversial question and I'm not trying to start "crap" but I'm curious because I have never been in a union company. would you rather be working for UPSF right now or say Fedex freight, Dayton, or ODFL? why or why not---is the union worth all the stuff you are going through. The reason I say this is that as soon as the workers are repped by a union it seems like the workers and the company are 2 separate entities working against each other fighting one another for the common goal of "profits".
 
hold on there son! what is your top wage and what do you think ours is?.......at Fedex Freight.....also can I just add this past week was my longest week in 2 years at 4.78 hours overtime, if there if one thing I feel bad for the UPS FREIGHT drivers by us its that they all work 12 hour days, to me thats worth striking for.....
keep pretending your wages at upsf are any higher, the company and ibt love that. r&l, odfl, estes, adp, ward, all paying around 25 to start, maybe more. your bennies are nice, but not worth rolling over and accepting 2 tier wages for.
Not 1 of those companies named has a full employer paid health plan or pension. I'm curious what you think the hourly equivalent for those 2 benefits equal ? and before someone claims that UPSF makes you pay a portion of the health benefits that is a falsehood or 1/2 truth. We have 2 options for health coverage at UPSF option 1 a no cost to employee plan that is slightly better than BCBS silver plan that has $200 deductible $2500 max out of pocket and is a 80\20 coverage plan with $20 copay for all office visits and specialists. Option 2 is a slightly better version costing the employee and family $130 per month (less for employee or employee +spouse) with $0 deductible $1500 max out of pocket and is a 85/15 coverage plan with $15 copay for office visits and specialists. At FDXF you will pay nearly $400 (employee + family) for a similar plan to our free option with much higher copays and deductible.
FDXF is currently paying top scale in my region $28.85 they start experienced LTL drivers at $22.58. UPSF current top rate is $28.65 the health benefit is worth at least $3.00 per hr compared to what your portion would be to pay for your FDXF health plan. the pension is worth $5.00 per hour after 20 yrs service. so total compensation at UPSF $36.65 give or take $1.
 
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