TForce | The Crap Atlanta Is Pulling

[GLAD TO BE_UPSF]

So you get in a "framed" scenario with UPSF and the company decides to fire your butt and you disagree with the termination; are you going to take it lying down there Glad to Be???
If you had some sort of representation you may be able to show the panel you were not at fault for whatever is was you were fired for.
Our are you going to take it lying down, and just wimper off cause after all, you are a non union employee and feel the need to not stand up for yourself..............

What the heck is it that makes you guys so scared of the Teamsters?? 1.4 million feel they have a good life and security from having union respresentation, and a small faction of you new employees to the UPS system feel you have it too good now not to better yourselves............

I just dont get it................

I don't go to work every day fearfull of loosing my job. I do my job,and like to think I do a good job.

What is it with this union mentality of us against the company?

So that is what every firing is?..."a framed scenario"?

Get out of here with that sh*t.

I get tired of all the union supporters harping on job protection.

The only people that NEED protection are the worthless pieces of sh*t that shouldn't have a good job anyway.

If you go to work afraid of loosing your job,your probably doing something you shouldn't be....oh,but lets bring the union in so we can suck and keep our job.

 

[Dallas Dog]

How often is there a successful termination of a piece of sh*t employee in any unionized workplace?

That is one of the problems I have with the union. Even if the company takes all the right steps to fire someone that needs to be fired,most (if not all) get their job back...and most of the time with back pay.

One recent example of the bullsh*t unions pull....An ABF buddy of mine(driver) was in Chicago a few weeks ago and was told he would be waiting a while(which he did get paid clock time)due to a work slow down.
Apparently two jockies were racing in the yard,and one of them wrecked and hit something(I forget what he hit).He was fired(as he should be)....but the union work force was taking it out on the company for the termination.

Seems to me,during the slow down...they weren't doing what they were being paid to do...and also should be penalized...but not with the union on their side.
I never heard how the jockey made out,but you can guess my opinion on that.

I wouldn't have such a problem with the union if they didn't push the envelope so far...its one thing to fight for workers rights and pay....but the worker has to be worth his/her pay and do the job they are paid to do.

how about the two South holland drivers caught in dallas toppless bar in uniform think they got fired NO how about that for piece of s#$$ employees so what does that have to do with the teamsters they kept there jobs .

 

[GLAD TO BE_UPSF]

how about the two South holland drivers caught in dallas toppless bar in uniform think they got fired NO how about that for piece of s#$$ employees so what does that have to do with the teamsters they kept there jobs .

Was this directed at me?

My point was that union workers that are legitimently fired getting to keep there jobs because the union fights for them...even if they deserved it.

If these guys were caught in a topless bar in uniform...they obviously broke the rules..but that isn't really a firing offense.Maybe a write up.


I break the rules all the time as far as stopping somewhere in uniform on the way to or from work.I would never go to a bar or strip club(in uniform),but if I have to go to walmart or something,I go.I don't change my clothes in the parking lot at work...and I'm not changing in the filthy bathrooms...and I'm not going home and back to the store with todays gas prices.

And when I say piece of sh*t employees,I mean people that aren't doing their jobs or miss beyond a reasonable amount of work,etc...just because they know they can't be fired.

Hey,wait a min...I just noticed you said a dallas topless bar....were they a sleeper team?

So they were just on lunch break...LOL...that rule needs clerification...just like if you were to stop at a casino on a sleeper team.The few times we stopped at a casino,we were in uniform and didn't think anything about it.

 

[saddletramp]

It was probably pointed at you there Glad.
You braod brush every Teamster as some job sucking POS that isnt worth the job they have, since you feel you have to "work" to keep your job.
You completly misunderstood what i was trying to tell you, and i believe it is because you have this preconcived notion that all union members are parasites on the workforce and only you non union people are the only productive ones.

Why dont you try opening your eyes up a little and quit drinking that Leo S. coolaid that you seem to enjoy so well?

 

[Dallas Dog]

Was this directed at me?

My point was that union workers that are legitimently fired getting to keep there jobs because the union fights for them...even if they deserved it.

If these guys were caught in a topless bar in uniform...they obviously broke the rules..but that isn't really a firing offense.Maybe a write up.


I break the rules all the time as far as stopping somewhere in uniform on the way to or from work.I would never go to a bar or strip club(in uniform),but if I have to go to walmart or something,I go.I don't change my clothes in the parking lot at work...and I'm not changing in the filthy bathrooms...and I'm not going home and back to the store with todays gas prices.

And when I say piece of sh*t employees,I mean people that aren't doing their jobs or miss beyond a reasonable amount of work,etc...just because they know they can't be fired.

Hey,wait a min...I just noticed you said a dallas topless bar....were they a sleeper team?

So they were just on lunch break...LOL...that rule needs clerification...just like if you were to stop at a casino on a sleeper team.The few times we stopped at a casino,we were in uniform and didn't think anything about it.

they were a sleeper team on delay. And your saying thats Ok. I want you to be my boss.

 

[GLAD TO BE_UPSF]

It was probably pointed at you there Glad.
You braod brush every Teamster as some job sucking POS that isnt worth the job they have, since you feel you have to "work" to keep your job.
You completly misunderstood what i was trying to tell you, and i believe it is because you have this preconcived notion that all union members are parasites on the workforce and only you non union people are the only productive ones.

Why dont you try opening your eyes up a little and quit drinking that Leo S. coolaid that you seem to enjoy so well?

While it is quite clear I am anti-union....I never said all union employee's are a POS.

That was in reference to a post by T251

Guess what workers that don't want to abide by the contract can be terminated and replaced with workers that want to work if a decent wage is offered and good bennies.

and I said..

How often is there a successful termination of a piece of sh*t employee in any unionized workplace?

meaning an employee that knowingly does something he/she knows is wrong,but does it anyway...because they know they won't loose their job...because the union backs them up.

I am reffering to the people that use the union to their benifit and know how far they can push the envelope.

I do have one friend that would fit into the POS catagory....he misses work all the time...he gets a doctors note when neccessary...then so many points go away...then he misses again...he keeps working the system of when and how many days he can miss...if it wasn't for the union,he would have been replaced by someone that needed a job and actually wants to work.

That is one of the big problems I have with unioized workforces.The company has little control over the productivity of it's own employee's.

That same guy(machinist union,I think)has a job where,if it says it takes 8 hours to do a particular job...and say he gets it done in 6....guess what....he makes himself look busy the last two hours and goes home...so the company is loosing 10 hours of a 5 day week because the union says it should take 8 gours to do a 6 hour job.....or the fact that if his fan comes unplugged...he can't plug it in...he has to call an electrician to do it...so that the electrician doesn't file a grievance against him for taking his work.

The list goes on and on as to the people that milk the system.
I'm quite sure there are good union employee's,but I'm referring to the one's that aren't...

I have other friends that work for the union...not just the teamsters,but other unions as well,and I don't think they are P'sOS.

My best friend here at UPSF is a former CF union stewart.He knows my feelings on the union.
He said he isn't going to bad mouth the union because he has made a good living being a teamster for the 20+ years that he was...but he also said he is happy here and doesn't feel we need the union because we have it pretty good here.

Right now our only(except the MC guys) real problem is delay and breakdown and I am willing to sacrofice those things to remain union free and be without the politics of the union.

 

[GLAD TO BE_UPSF]

they were a sleeper team on delay. And your saying thats Ok. I want you to be my boss.

I'm saying the rule on wearing the uniform doesn't specify anything about sleeper teams...I would have to re-read it.
If I remember correctly it says to and from work....when your out on a sleeper,your working till you get back to the home terminal.

Just like when I'm in the bunk and we get to a terminal for fuel or to drop and hook...most of the time(if I was in the sleeper)I'll get out and help fuel or help with d/h's in shorts and a T-shirt,but I wouldn't think of walking into dispatch dressed like that...even though I am logged in the sleeper berth.

 

[wassesname]

glad, is it ok to twist the rules?

 

[GLAD TO BE_UPSF]

glad, is it ok to twist the rules?

why whatever do you mean?

 

[Rebel]

how about the two South holland drivers caught in dallas toppless bar in uniform think they got fired NO how about that for piece of s#$$ employees so what does that have to do with the teamsters they kept there jobs .

Whats the beef? They were'nt drinking booze.

 

[wassesname]

glad, i know you are not playing dumb. REB, were was the sleeper parked?

 

[serta]

How often is there a successful termination of a piece of sh*t employee in any unionized workplace?

That is one of the problems I have with the union. Even if the company takes all the right steps to fire someone that needs to be fired,most (if not all) get their job back...and most of the time with back pay.

One recent example of the bullsh*t unions pull....An ABF buddy of mine(driver) was in Chicago a few weeks ago and was told he would be waiting a while(which he did get paid clock time)due to a work slow down.
Apparently two jockies were racing in the yard,and one of them wrecked and hit something(I forget what he hit).He was fired(as he should be)....but the union work force was taking it out on the company for the termination.

Seems to me,during the slow down...they weren't doing what they were being paid to do...and also should be penalized...but not with the union on their side.
I never heard how the jockey made out,but you can guess my opinion on that.

I wouldn't have such a problem with the union if they didn't push the envelope so far...its one thing to fight for workers rights and pay....but the worker has to be worth his/her pay and do the job they are paid to do.

Right or wrong, your mad because the work force sticks together?

 

[Pinball]

Not Mad

Right or wrong, your mad because the work force sticks together?

I don't think he is mad.. just against MOB mentality... That is the mentality that one has, when he thinks he is only important if he has others to act, react and think for him.
Instead of being an individual, responsible for his own actions and his own life.
But, there are millions that count their worth only by what group they belong to.
Guess that describes you!!!
Have a nice day.

 

[serta]

This is not pointed at anyone directly. But at our workforce, we're generally a family, especially people who work the same shifts. We don't backstab each other, we look out for each other. So do I count my worth by the group I belong to? No, thats a dumb statement. Do I count my friends at work worth something sure do. My point was to be they stuck together at what they fealt was an injustice, the firing. I'm not sure what happened, but I'm guessing it was not something worth firing, time in the street definitely, but not firing. Expressing unity is how we got here and acheived what we have today, and other ltl's for that matter.

One last note, if you think the guy should have been fired for damaging company property, think about this. You ever see your trailers? You think they got that way by magic? If all the people who beat up all them trucks were fired, you probably wouldn't have many drivers left.

 

[wassesname]

pinball... are you self-employed?

 

[jeff_spicoli]

upsf, how can you be so uninformed...the union doesn't tell anybody how long it takes anybody to do a given job.. that's up to the individual. Sure, in my 20 years as a teamster, i can count on one hand the number of people that i've seen or heard of get fired, but it's usually a cardinal sin, likke stealing,. that's because we want to keep our jobs, just like you anti union guys, it's just that we have greivance procedure to protect against arbitrary punishment because the dispatchjer thinks you took an hour too long to do your run, and you had to skip lunch to get off the clock. that would be the day. all i ever had to say when i worked in the city was "her's what i have left, i'll talk to you after lunch.. try it sometime

 

[Johnnybegood]

I don't think he is mad.. just against MOB mentality... That is the mentality that one has, when he thinks he is only important if he has others to act, react and think for him.
Instead of being an individual, responsible for his own actions and his own life.
But, there are millions that count their worth only by what group they belong to.
Guess that describes you!!!
Have a nice day.

Wow someone else with a strong opinion....Bravo.....I agree.

 

[jimmyjoe (jj)]

I don't go to work every day fearfull of loosing my job. I do my job,and like to think I do a good job.

What would happen if you went to work tonight and had a bad accidecent and rolled and crashed a set real bad, and was not hurt bad?

Would USPF (overnite ) fire you?

Regradless of 10-15yrs of great service and a couple of million miles safe driving?

If so what recourse would you have as a driver to get your job back:

This is where the Union helps the member!

 

[stldude44]

I don't think he is mad.. just against MOB mentality... That is the mentality that one has, when he thinks he is only important if he has others to act, react and think for him.
Instead of being an individual, responsible for his own actions and his own life.
But, there are millions that count their worth only by what group they belong to.
Guess that describes you!!!
Have a nice day.

Your post doesn't describe the Labor Movement at all. We are all responsible for our actions, it's just that those of us fortunate enough to be in Unions might get a break due to the power of our Contracts that a non Union worker might not get. We all still have to do our jobs, especially now. Sure, we do have some slackers, but who doesn't? We have to protect even the slackers so the good workers aren't victimized by a boss in a bad mood thar day. It all works out for the best. Both sides know what to expect (because it's in writing) and even though it's not a perfect world life goes on.

 

[GLAD TO BE_UPSF]

What would happen if you went to work tonight and had a bad accidecent and rolled and crashed a set real bad, and was not hurt bad?

Would USPF (overnite ) fire you?

To my knoweledge you will not be fired for having an ACCIDENT.Unfortunately they are a fact of life in the trucking/travel industry.
As long as you don't leave the scene you should be fine....depending on the findings after further investigation...as it should be.