The 'Never-Trump' Pouters

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  1. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Why not tariff countries who don't pay our rates and pollute and mistreat their people if you want the world to be like us?
    Instead of bombing them and stealing their resources and land and governments and taking their people for slaves?
     
  2. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    "Those who refuse to study history are doomed to repeat it."

    Study Hoover and FDR. Tariffs were raised during a mild recession, which caused higher prices for the people you want benefited. They had no money, so they couldn't pay the higher prices. Lack of sales caused manufacturing to slow, which caused a depression. There hasn't been a single nation's economy in the past 150 years that grew from high tariffs. The USA suffered from them in the 1930s. So yes, it makes a Ton of sense...
     
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    jimmy g Kook

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    I'm neither. I'm small r republican- Constitutional limited government that defends, and makes States play nice together and not much else.

    Lincoln was for the Incorporation Doctrine (14th Amendment), like Trump. Huge Federal Central Control (comes from Marxism).... Trump combines a very few Repub views, with mostly Dem views, markets them as a Progressive (slow to change communism) Populist (People's Movement of 1892- grew out of Marxism) and is being elected on jealous anger. That's not something I can vote for....
     
  4. kboomarang

    kboomarang My allah, between pie and mode

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    While across the board tariffs would not be good for our economy, tariffs used to combat dumping are useful, like cheap cheap steel from China has pretty much killed America's steel industry and that product needs tariffs to shore up our own industry and level the field, also when American products are subject to tariffs the same tariffs should be for products from those countries that charge tariffs on our products or use some BS excuse to ban our products.
     
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    jimmy g Kook

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    Slave, I know you think I'm just a wacko throwing up Marxism all the time. Study it. Until the 1200s and Parlimentarism, there were only tyrants. The US changed all that with a Constitutional Republic, where States ran the nation.
    That stayed until Marx wrote of Central Control circa 1848-1890s. Lincoln modeled our change in 1860s. Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson modelled the Progressives after Von Bismarck, who modelled Germany after Marx.

    I don't use it as an insult, I use it as an accurate description.
     
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  6. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    Slave slave slave, I think your a democrat because you act like one, if it quacks like a duck you know the rest. I can't see how anything Jimmy, Northern, or myself just to name a few have ever said that you you could construe us being democrats. You said earlier that you've been asking this since the 70's and no one can answer. People have been answering you you just don't listen. There are reams and reams of date that show quotas don't work. Read my next statement at least 5 times before you comment; WE'VE NEVER TRIED IT MY WAY!!! At least not for a long time, your determined to help the middle class which is admirable and I want to do the same. Where you and I differ is you want to punish the the upper class. Your class envy consumes you, you may not realize it but it does. If you brought back all manufacturing by some miracle you would still be mad that someone was making to much money. Your a misguided individual.
     
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  7. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    The question, front and center is #68 post.
     
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    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    I answers that question, of course your exaggerating as usual. There are a few countries who pay that little or even less, however it's not the norm nor is it all of the equation. There's a lot more to off shoring a job than just wages which you conveniently ignore. If a company could stay here and have a reasonable tax rate, no more stupid regulation stacked on stupid regulation, a consistent business environment they would stay and even bring some back. Contrary to popular belief many companies do and have been bringing jobs back, Try a google search on the subject but be careful you might learn something. While your at it read some of these; https://www.google.com/#q=do+tariffs+work that link won't do you much good because you've already made up your mind which is typical of you open minded free thinking liberals but try it anyway. How about a question for you, when did we try it my way?
     
  9. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Post #s don't show on my phones
     
  10. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Which gets a horse to be less stubborn- sugar, or a whip?

    Which gets a dock worker to work harder - bonuses or warning letters??

    If a town had 3 businesses that paid 22 bucks an hour and 3 paying 12, where would you apply for a job?

    Same goes for employers. Penalties, taxes, and rules chased them away to better conditions. Incentivize them to return.
     
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    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    Well of course they would take the 22 an hour, then complain that the ceo is making to much money.
     
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    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    I guess everyone should apply at McDonalds then cause everything can be made cheaper in China and Shipped 13000 miles across an ocean. No industry no good paying jobs. The only people free trade has helped is Wall Street. Sense Nafta started the median income has dropped over $5000 per family across the whole United States. Pretty good coincidence. Tariffs are what got foreign auto makers like Toyota Honda and Subaru to build in the United States. They want to sell here they have to build here or pay the Tariff is how that happens. Now the US don't even produce Aluminum cause it's cheaper in China. I can't wait to live in our new 3rd world country! Lol
     
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    I'm pretty sure you missed his whole point.
     
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    jimmy g Kook

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    Actually, most US TV Manufacturing (for instance) left in 76-80- well before NAFTA was enacted. (Carter was still Prez). I noticed your comment had zero to do with my post that you quoted... RCA, Magnavox, Phillips, etc...

    End taxing income. Go Fair Tax. Put an import 16% tax on, but zero export tax. End the Federal EPA (there are 50 state ones.) They'll come home.
     
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  15. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    They are gonna go where the best profits are and the best deal.
    Best deal is China. Communism.
    Dump chemicals wherever. Pay nothing. Billions of low paid employees and they're quite happy living in coffin sized apartments.
    No tax break changes that....just another whine to fill they're pockets.
     
  16. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    So how exactly does an American business and employee compete with socialist/commie/3rd world slave labor countries again?
    Without going to their levels?


    You're answers are programmed by those ruining us.
    They want no minimum wage, no unions, no regulations, no taxes, no healthcare costs (Obamacare?), no pensions ........they pretty much want socialist programs or 3rd world standards.....or they're leaving.
    Let them.
    But tariff the hell out of their products.

    Where did Walmart mandate their products be made?
    Commie China. They had blueprints made to explain to people selling on their shelves exactlly how to move production to China. Too make it cheap enough to meet Walmart standards.


    The answer to my question of how can we compete against commie, socialist, 3rd worlders is....we can't unless we become that.

    So we must tariff.
     
  17. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_policy_of_Japan
    Actually they dropped tariffs back in the 70s for electronic devices such as TVs. Nice try though
     
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    I do agree with your last paragraph! Sounds fair to me
     
  20. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    You're nuts, when did Walmart mandate their products be made in China? Second there's more to manufacturing than just wages, that's only a percentage of the total cost of production. It's not all about competing with third world countries you want to hammer that point thinking it makes a case for tariffs along your tremendous desire to punish the rich. I some point I have realize I'm arguing with a tree.
     

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