The Republican Party is producing "leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence"

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  1. Pup Driver

    Pup Driver Well-Known Member

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    Off topic I noticed the time and date that these posting are made either no one works here on t/b or everyone is on vacation or everyone works nights .
     
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  2. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    (d) takes iPad to work and posts on the job.
     
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  3. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    If this is Monday through Sunday they have the day off
     
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  4. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Can't beat a union job
     
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  5. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    after all where would they get their care

    they aren't going to be in the "system" with you, only the best for them

    socialism is never for the socialist
     
  6. Gilly

    Gilly Banned

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    No, no, no, we all work just not really all that hard!
     
  7. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    How was my post regarding the ACA's mandate....and my subsequent post explaining what a mandate is and the context in which I used it, "flip-flopping around"?
     
  8. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Ever hear of "medical tourism"?... Why do a growing number of Americans participate in medical tourism?
     
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  9. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    The above quoted posts clearly show the depth of your inability to comprehend much beyond the narrow and shallow minded thinking that if I don't agree fully with you....then that means I must be a "radical leftist"..... You complain about the state of politics today and at the same time you support the polarization of the process with such "thinking"..... I've explained many times the reasons why I don't share your views on politics being able to solve the challenges facing humanity... I can't help it if you're unable or unwilling to comprehend.... But.... I'm glad that I'm able to entertain you both.........
     
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  10. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Flash you aren't confused are you? I'm not either..
     
  11. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    When did the Government outlaw paying cash for anything?.... Ohhhh...you said "IF"... Nice deflection.....
     
  12. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Explain how the Government is controlling healthcare costs?... The healthcare providers set prices.... The Insurance Companies deside how much, if any, they will pay.....then the rest will be billed out to the patient.... Where does the Government fit into this equation?...

    You seem to have this mistaken idea that in order to establish a national single payer healthcare system, the Government must "own" and have total control over the healthcare industry....
    I'm just saying it doesn't have to be that way..... Single payer simply means that the payments for medical care come from the Government, rather than a for profit insurance company...
    On a side note....under the current system, the cost of insurance and medical care are very expensive....if Government could contain those costs to us....yes you too...... I don't think that would be a negative thing.....
     
  13. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    There are a few good things about the ACA..... Kids can remain on their parents policies until 26...... Insurance Companies cannot discriminate against pre-existing conditions...They must also spend a greater amount on actually providing coverage.....
    The other aspects leave a LOT of room for improvement..... I never said it was greatest.... The biggest reasons for its shortcomings is the fact that the Insurance Companies are still dictating the costs..... That is why premuims are rising.....They are taking taxpayer money, in the form of subsidies, and in many many cases are only providing "junk policies" through the exchanges.... Basically taking taxpayer money and not having to actually pay anything out... High deductibles....high co-pays..etc...
    At the very least it should have provided a strong public option...as was originally discussed....until Obama took it off the table before the "negotiations" started...

    The system is finacially sustainable for the Insurance Companies and the Doctors....for us....not so much....nothings changed in that aspect...ACA or not....
     
  14. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Go ahead...laugh.... Consider this though... You have agreed that the entire political system is corrupted from the top down......and yet you support..... and hinge your hope for a better world on the far right-wing politicians.....the more extreme the better for you..... Where do they stand?... On your side?....or the side of the big money they recieve from the uber wealthy.....?..... If you actually believe that billionaires want whats best for you and your Family, and the rest of society....you're sadly mistaken... In reality....if that is your "stand".....you don't stand for much of anything yourself....
     
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  15. pilot87

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    Let me correct you.... I usually make a point of saying I don't support any political party....... I guess by not supporting the political system as a means to actually solving our problems....that somehow translates to being a "radical leftist"....
    Every once in while in a rare moment we actually agree on a point......but most of the time.....well....lets just say, I respectfully disagree....and leave it there....
     
  16. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    No.... You've reached a wrong number...please hang up and try your call again.....
     
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  17. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    26 and considered a child?

    charging people in poor health who would use more medical care thus cost more is not discrimination, its math
    Conversely, charging people that are healthier more for something they do not use to subsidize or off set the cost of the above mentioned group, that seems more like discrimination and that is why young healthy people have chosen to pay the fine rather than have their rates triple.

    that is because govt is still over mandating policies and not allowing menu plans where purchasers can buy exactly what they want.
    My mother (68 now) still has maternity on her health insurance policy (had a hysterectomy in 1980) that is not happening
    These are what drove up the costs in the first place
    Some states had 20-30 mandates thus expensive insurance
    others had 10-15 cheaper insurance
    that is how govt manipulates the price by telling the insurance companies what they must have on their policies
     
  18. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    This is America everyone takes cash, I admit I would not turn it down myself
     
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  19. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Seriously?.... That's the best you can come up with?..... Why can't you just be honest and say that is a good thing and has benefited many young adults...especially those in college...


    It's about denying care to those in greater need due to pre-existing conditions.... That's not "math" that's discrimination.....and greed....
    If you want to talk about charging people more.....Insurance Companies raise premuims all the time...healthy or not.... Charging healthy people a premuim for insurance is about having coverage if the need arises....not about whether or not they use it.... Typically healthier younger people pay less....which is fine....but the whole idea of insurance is about those who pay premuims, without using the coverage, off sets those that need more care.... That's not discrimination.....that is how insurance works..... I would have thought you'd have known that....

    I realize that many younger people haven't "bought in".....but in short time the fines will be more than buying insurance..... I've said it before....and I'll reinterate my postion..... I don't agree with that aspect of the ACA.... It just underscores the need for National single payer....... If we can afford to police the world....spend trillions destroyong other nations....we should be able to afford to take care of the healthcare needs of our citizens...... I don't know why your against people having access to healthcare through a single payer system...... I guess you're more concerned about the profits of the Insurance Companies and the bonuses of the CEO's above the needs of people who need medical care.... How heart warming of you.... I would hope the Insurance executives appreciate your concern for their profits...

    Your making the case for single payer..... People can just go in and see a doctor and get the care they need.... No need for a "policy".....

    Talk about being able to purchase only what you want......where is the hue and cry about the cable companies and their "packages".....why should anyone have to pay for programing they never view just to get a few channels they may watch occasionally.......


    Once again, you're making the case for national single payer healthcare... Pointing the problems with the ACA only strengthens the "argument" for a National single payer system.....

    Now....there should be plenty of material in this post to keep Northern Flash in stitches for a while..... Stitches...medical care...get it???.... Hope his insurance covers that....
     
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  20. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    I'd write a headline that pilot wants Single payer cable programming, but it's better for all if I just take a break from his posts and relax....
     
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