The True Cost Of Israel

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  1. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    What times in our history do you attribute to serious decline in Christianity?
    And serious decline in America?
     
  2. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Do you think, that if Christ was the scapegoat then......that they have ever changed that belief in Him or His followers?
    Sent to perish for the good of Judaism?
     
  3. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Did a power much higher than man give them this book to teach their people with in synagogues also?
    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud2.htm

    Does it make me some kind of person wanting to make them a scapegoat for not trusting them, especially in our government?
    Does it make me a bad Christian to not like that they teach this trash?
    The references to Islamic beliefs of how to treat Jews, Christians and Infidels are all over so they can take their lumps imo.
     
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    Rastus ......Deplorable.....

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    "Iis not known how often Jews must wash and purify themselves, nor how much they must study to avoid everything which might render them unclean. The Talmud teaches, however, that Christians are people whose touch alone makes things unclean.
    In Abhodah Zarah (72b) "

    I have to admit, that one does seem a little harsh.
     
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  5. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    It's all in defense of religion and their people....I can't blame them...But I'm not one of them...same with islam...same with Christian treatment of peoples....I'm one of them. And if I'm to remain one..I'm gonna have to defend mine....unless I desire to be something else...which I don't.
     
  6. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    Nope Islam is a political body encased in a false religion. Let's talk a moment about Islam, it is another on of those factions that has always from its onset used Israel and the Jews as scapegoats.

    It's believed founder Mohammad blamed the Jews for just about everything under the sun that didn't abide by what he wanted to project. But digging a bit deeper on that since you brought it up, I said yesterday that it goes back to The time of Abraham. Does Isac and Ishmial ring a bell?
     
  7. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    Throughout time we have been warned not to follow false God's or place faith in false teachings. We have been warned that we would have those amongst us cloaked doing so.

    Mohammad is a false prophet that based his "religion" on ba'al worship or better yet the moon god.

    Each time the Jews turned their backs to God; God punished them. Today we see as society turning our back to him and we in turn are destined the same fate.
     
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    Toby Well-Known Member

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    Rahm Emanuel said , "You Never Want A Serious Crisis To Go To Waste "

    Radicals and power hungry people have known thought history to bring about mass change and transformation, you have to first overload the current system to such an extent that the populace would be clamoring for someone, anyone, to rise to the top and create a sense of stability. Hitler and Lenin both portrayed this to their fellow countrymen.

    In 1966 Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven at Columbia University proposed a strategy that we see today playing out where they outlined that to hasten the fall of Capitalism as we know it, you have to overload the system. They understood that to do so you had to flood the governments bureaucracy with impossible demands that it could not sustain. Due to many of the programs that we have today that were created under FDR and later LBJ we have the vehicle that will allow the collapse. When FDR created the soft socialist programs he understood that citizens would be lulled into the belief that the government would always ensure that funding would be there to cover them, but as we all know this has never been a realistic case. LBJ understood that as long as you gave away so called benefits that you would ensure a voter base for years to come.

    This is where you see the problems today. Not Israel.
     
  9. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    In the election of 2012 let's be honest, people voted not to place our country on a fiscal path to recovery, but based their vote on who would deliver them the most government handouts. The engineered collapse thus found the fuel to propel it to its final destination. Years of manipulation and capitulation have brought us to this point. Administrations past and present have ensured that we will get to the finish line and our media and education system covered for them along the way. The reality that we as a nation that stood as the beacon of hope to those around the world that were trapped in the quagmire of top down government oppression in whatever form you like to call it has all but faded. Half of this nation and leaders from both political parties have worked to extinguish that flame and have now embraced our road to collapse.
     
  10. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    Karl Marx described in his 1848 Communist Manifesto the ten steps or 10 Planks of Communism, necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state.

    Marx argued that capitalism, like previous socioeconomic systems, will inevitably produce internal tensions which will lead to its destruction. Just as capitalism replaced feudalism, he believed socialism will, in its turn, replace capitalism, and lead to a stateless, classless society called pure communism.

    In America today this is done through a method known as "Class Warfare". This is done to attempt to divide Americans and has deep roots in Marxism. The Democrats have attempted to do this by trying to "shame" you if you oppose "Progressive" Ideology, time and again they fall back on the same rhetoric of saying that if you do not agree that you want grandma to be forced to eat dog food or that you want children to be forced to work in sweat shops when this is the farthest from the truth.


    Many who are pushing forth this ideology hold true to these world views:

    Agnosticism:

    Holds that truth is "unknowable."

    Pragmatism:

    Is more concerned with what 'works' than with what's true.

    Liberalism/Modernism:

    We must rethink and adapt our concept of God and truth to fit with modern culture and modes of thinking.
     
  11. Toby

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    Socialism and Marxism attempts to reduce the complexity of society to make it rational, to eliminate inequity. Generally speaking, it succeeds only in reducing man, and eventually eliminating the dignity and grandeur of mankind. It completely corrodes all concept of the elevation of man, and of mankind.


    As it was stated long ago, give a generation of children to those who would espouse a given ideology and you can transform the way of thought for years to come. This we have seen in our schools where many of these theory's have been pushed upon our children, as a result young adults today have not been exposed to some of the faults and dangers that surround this way of thought. Through media older generations are bombarded daily in the attempt to transform their way of though, and when you have the choice to an alternative the old practice of "shaming" is attempted to discredit the opposing ideology.


    Class warfare is the vehicle that modern Socialist/Marxist uses to create this divide so that we are led to believe that if you succeed in life you deserve not to enjoy the fruits of your success. They attempt to pass blame for this success off as exploitation when all along the way to that success mutual free choices have been made by all involved. No one forced an individual to work or purchase anything that those individuals used as vehicles to their success. The choice has always been in the individual to seek alternatives and through a free society these have been made available unlike in a centrally controlled society where options are limited to a few approved designated choices.
     
  12. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    Class warfare far from working to improve society at large only works to limit the individual and mankind as a whole. Socialism though it is a grandiose dream by many only allows for stagnation through limitations. Marxism is the underlying theory that a classless society will occur despite the examples where it has been employed where distinct classes occurred, and the ability to rise from one to the other was not afforded on the individual basis but pre determined instead.


    To reach the end goal those who follow the "Progressive" ideology that is nothing more than window dressing to the root ideology. Feel as though any means employed justifies the tactics used. Examples are Class Warfare, attempted demeaning of those who disagree, and attempts at silencing the opposition. No one is fooled by these attempts and despite the attempts to do so the American public at large still resist this attempted transformation.
     
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    In what sense? How was he using them as a scapegoat when he was the sacrificial lamb?
     
  14. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    No we need to keep funding shrimp on treadmills instead
     
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    A strong stance rooted in your core beliefs when all others are succumbing to the whims of the times is justified in the eyes of Christ. We are called to strap on the armor of God and speak the truth. In doing so we go against the culture of the day.


    Spiritual warfare is nothing new, but for most it is unrecognizable and so subtle that they are unable to recognize that it is occurring. Today, just as in the time of Danial many are being asked to go along with mans culture. This is played out for instance with the so called protests and marches that we have witnessed over the last few days.


    Danial was ordered to bow down and worship at the foot of a golden God. With his refusal it was ordered that he be thrown into the furnace. His core beliefs instructed him not to worship to false idols and Gods. And he was rewarded for his core convictions by not succumbing to the easy temptation to follow the popular culture and whim to turn his back on his beliefs.

    Most today follow the influence and whims of popular culture.

    Just as Danial so many years ago was tested, we today face many tests in the continuing spiritual battle raging around us. We can either strap on the armor or we can succumb to the whims of the day. It is a choice, a true choice that many would rather shun, but still a choice.
     
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    Toby Well-Known Member

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    Waywardness from God’s intent for us, leads us astray. When we falter in our faith we most often turn to human means to reach a desired outcome. We will often accuse the Lord of withholding what it is that we desire. Decisions that we make need to go deeper than the emotions of the moment. We must grow in patience if we want to grow in godliness. We see in Genesis:1-4 that emotions of the moment by Sarai at the beginning and Abram at the end expressed impatience with the Lord’s failure to overcome Sarai’s barrenness. We will learn principles that will help us avoid the temptations to make things “happen”, and learn how our disobedience can have lasting consequences.

    Genesis 16:1-4, “ Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”
    Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
    When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress.”

    Sarai knew of God’s promise to Abram that he would be blessed with more offspring than the number of stars in the sky. When the Lord made his covenant with Abram he promised him this. He also rejected the adoption of his male servant Eliezer as the heir to Abram. Thus rejecting Abrams attempt to overcome Sarai’s inability to have children.

    Abram showed faith in the Lord and we now refer to him as “The father of all who believe”, but because of impatience to remain obedient in faith that God will deliver on his promise first Sarai committed sin, which led Abram to commit sin as well. They both seeked a shortcut to the Will of God. We all may consider ourselves patient people until we ask ourselves hard questions and fully examine our patience.

    By Sarai suggesting to Abram to sleep with Hagar and possibly have a child with her, Sarai set up the situation that Abram would commit adultery and polygamy. Even though it was an accepted custom of the time to sleep with a servant if unable to conceive a child and ensure the birth of a male heir, Abram was promised by God that he would be blessed with a male heir. Abram must have been discouraged by Sarai’s inability to have children that he was swayed by Sarai’s offer to not remain obedient in his faith and wait on God’s promise.

    In defense of Sarai to bring her to the point of suggesting to Abram that he takes Hagar, it must have been devastating for her and we see later in these verses just how much it weighed on her. One of the biggest tests that God gives us is the test of patience. Sarai became impatient with God’s timetable and looked to accomplish his promise by turning to accepted pagan customs of the time. Her pride got in the way of better judgment and obedient faith in the Lord to provide them with a child.

    As believers we have to remain guarded and not allow our pride and impatience to supersede our obedient faith in the Lord. When we do so, we ignore the Word of God and resort to things that may be culturally acceptable and even legal such as adultery, pornography, abortion, drug and alcohol to name a few as quick fixes. Though they may be culturally acceptable and even legal that does not make them morally right. God’s timetable may be different than our own. The tests that we face and how we react exhibit our obedient faith in God. It shows that we place trust in Him to supply and that we will do things God’s way for his Glory.

    The lasting consequences of these sins were injustice, jealousy, and misery. They not only affected Abram, Sarai, Hagar, and Ishmael but generations to follow including present generations. The ongoing conflicts in the Middle East and division between Judeo-Christians and those who follow Islam can be directly traced back to these sins and lack of obedience to God’s will
     
  17. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian".
    You're either a Jew or a Christian. It's impossible to be both.
    Jews believe He's a heretic or devil.
    Christians believe Him to be God.

    If we truly wanted to feed the sheep a Pope would takeover Israel. No more lies.
     
  18. Toby

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    Messianic Jew

    Not every Christian practices Catholicism. Some actually look at it as not following true Christianity while others welcome it in the church with a capital C

    I know you are aware that all Christians follow the same teachings found in the Old Testament. Let me ask you this question: what happened in your past that you hold such deep vitriol towards Israel and Jews in general?
     
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    Toby Well-Known Member

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    "You're either a Jew or a Christian. It's impossible to be both"

    "
    What Is Messianic Judaism?
    Messianic Judaism is a movement of Jewish people who believe that Yeshua (Jesus’ original name in Hebrew) is the Messiah of Israel and the Savior of the world. Yeshua is the most Jewish of Jews. Yeshua was a descendant of both Abraham and King David, was raised in a Jewish home and went to synagogue. He perfectly kept the entire Torah (see Galatians 4:4). He taught that He came to fulfill, not set aside, the Torah (see Matthew 5:17-19). He was a rabbi who performed unparalleled miracles, bringing great blessing to the nation of Israel. All His early disciples also lived very Jewish lives. The Messianic movement was entirely Jewish at its inception, and continued to exist as an authentic Jewish movement for 700 years after Yeshua’s death and resurrection. Messianic Jews have not stopped being Jewish. On the contrary, we remain strongly Jewish in our identity and lifestyle! The Tenach (the Old Testament Scriptures) provides the foundation of our Jewish faith, and the New Covenant Scriptures (which were also written by Jews) the completion of our Jewish faith. In fact, the Hebrew Scriptures themselves affirm that they are not complete, but that God was going to make a New Covenant with the Jewish people (Jeremiah 31:31-34). We believe that the Sinai covenant, upon which much of traditional (Rabbinic) Judaism is based, is a broken covenant. There is no Temple and there are no sacrifices by which we can be brought near to God and experience genuine atonement. Non-Messianic Judaism is based on this broken covenant, which cannot save us. In contrast, we believe that God already established this New Covenant by means of Yeshua’s death and resurrection. He died and rose again to atone for our sins, so that we can enter into this New Covenant relationship with God. We believe that Yeshua ascended to the right hand of God the Father and is coming back to Earth to reign from Jerusalem over Israel and all the nations of the world. At that time the fullness of the New Covenant will be realized."

    http://www.shema.com/messianic-judaism/what-is-it/

    Your definition that all Jews believe that Christ is the devil is not correct. While they remain rooted in customs that are traditionally Jewish, they also believe in Christ. So yes they do practice both Judaism and Christianity.

    As for agnostics and atheists where would you say that you get your values from? The wind or something much deeper and much more aged than saying humanism because it all has origins.
     
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    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    My followingof politics has brought me here. It's only been less than 3 years since I've had this attitude. My whole life I did not. You could not. The info has not been taught and has been suppressed by education and media. I would think that most who come to.politics forums or watch FOXNEWS, or listen to radio like Limbaugh are looking for reasons for things that make no sense in our nation....By following the money....my path brings me to Israel and their people. The attacks on and subversion of Christianity.....all signs point to Israel.......possibly Khazars who have converted to Judaism...most probably not the true bloodline Jews of the Bible....The wars in the middle east always lead to Israel money also...and I'm no fan of war whiçh does not defend our direct borders
    I feel it's wrong. Especially since we are so far in debt.
     

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