The Unraveling of Donald J. Trump

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  1. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Take it to zero. Debate each and every item thoroughly, including every Entitlement. The SSI Trustees say they are going broke. Same do MediCare Trustees. Adjust it now, while you can. Otherwise it’s too late. If there is no agreement, the budget stays at zero. Period.
     
  2. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    You mean don't send money to anything or anyone until Congress decides?
    You do realize this Congress tried to end ObamaCare 60 times
     
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    Unless Congress appropriates money, there is none. That hasn’t changed since 1787.....
     
  4. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Every single time taxes are cut, more revenue comes to the Treasury. Every time taxes are raised, less revenue comes in. So how does one use an accounting method to figure that?

    Spending needs cut big-time, except for Defense that's Constitutionally called for.
     
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    Unless Congress gets the votes to agree on a dollar, none can be spent. We operated on a zero base budget from 1787 until 1975, and Congress found a way to agree on things. It's only been since 1975 that the Dems have learned the power they have and said my way or the highway in cuts, and the Repubs cave every time. The Dems learned that a 1% cut from a 7% increase can be played as a massive cut, even tho it's really a 6% increase. The Left controls the Media, hence they control the message
     
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  6. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    You are suddenly concerned about the debt and deficit?
    :lmao:
    Stop it already.
    You sat silently while Obama doubled our debt. So your hypocrisy is shining bright.

    And we know that what is currently going on is running up our debt so there is nothing to lose by going with the tax breaks strategy.

    Since Obama's "tax the hell out of everyone" strategy is an obvious failure based on the doubling of the debt, what do we have to lose?
     
  7. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Yep.
    But the Dumbocrats always use Reagan's cuts as the boogie man theory. What they ignore is that during that time period, the higher revenue came in, but the spending was still out of control.

    You're right. Their theory is backasswards. They spend, then try to come up with the money to cover it. Try that in the real world with your family and you'll be filing bankruptcy in no time.
     
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    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    They must have gone political, since they are the same one who spoke highly of Obamacare being a great financial plan.

    It's all about the spending Brother. Either you control the spending or the extra revenue coming in to the treasury is worthless.

    My financial advice to my friends is real simple. You can't always control your income and INBOUND money, but you can definitely control the flow of OUTBOUND money. And if you don't control your spending, all of the income in the world won't keep you out of bankruptcy.
     
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    Gold Star Post!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :guiness:
     
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  10. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    That's the entire problem with your way of thinking. You and your party support spending every dime available to them, and some. That's called irresponsibility in the real world.

    And the other half goes towards people who can work for a living, but have chosen not to.
    The military protects our Nation.
    What do the freeloaders do for our Nation?


    Yep. Because we protect most of those same counties, which is a huge mistake in most cases.
    However, the more money we dump in to big education, the lower our student's grades go. Go figure.
     
  11. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Don't be bringing up that "living/breathing" document. It makes the hair on the back of the necks of the Democrats stand up.
     
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    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    Are show votes really a true indicator?
    Why is it that everyone sees that Obamacare will buckle and is buckling under it's own weight, yet the Democrats are still fighting to keep it?
    They are extremely irresponsible since when it collapses all of those with policies are screwed.
    How do you justify that?

    How about just admitting that Obamacare sucks and is financially unsustainable.
     
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  13. AzPilot

    AzPilot Well-Known Member

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    You are right Jimmy, it really doesn't matter if the treasury brings in more money if they keep increasing the National Debt. Reagan is an example of that, doubling the deficit.
    Of the last 5 Presidents before Trump, Clinton was the only one to run a surplus, granted some of the other Presidents had to deal with catastrophes.
     
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    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    There are plenty of financial experts that say Clinton DID NOT run a surplus. But that's a different topic.
     
  15. jimmy g

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    He never actually had a surplus. They PROJECTED that there would be one in the tenth year if nothing else changed. Dems decried the very same day there needed to be more spending.

    No Congress can tie the hands of future Congresses. The PROJECTED surplus lasted less than one year.
     
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  16. AzPilot

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    Actually he did in the first 4 years.................I know everybody sticks to their own facts that support their beliefs.

    https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151
     
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  17. jimmy g

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    Nice spin from the article to make Obama look good.

    President Barack Obama: Total Expected Plus Actual Deficits = $6.690 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

    • FY 2017 - $666 billion. Although Trump requested additional spending, Congress did not approve it.
    • FY 2016 - $585 billion.
    • FY 2015 - $438 billion.
    • FY 2014 - $485 billion.
    • FY 2013 - $679 billion.
    • FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
    • FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
    • FY 2010 - $1.547 ($1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget).
    President George W. Bush: Total = $3.293 trillion, a 57 percent increase.

    • FY 2009 - $1.16 trillion. ($1.413 trillion minus $253 billion from Obama's Stimulus Act)
    • FY 2008 - $459 billion.
    The last 'Official' budget Bush had control over was 2008- 459 Billion. Obama adjusted the last Bush Budget of 2009 by adding almost an extra trillion in Stimulis. His supporters now claim he cut the deficit to 1/3rd by 2014, when in fact he inherited 459 Billion, tripled it, then cut it to Bush's figure, and claimed victory. These games are why I hate politicians and DC accounting.

    Figures lie, and liars figure!

    It made me so mad, I didn't bother reading about your point on Clinton....
     
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  18. AzPilot

    AzPilot Well-Known Member

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    Just wait until Trump is done, If he makes it 4 years.
     
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  19. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Nursing homes cost $3500 a month and up.
    Are you going to starve Grandma?
     
  20. AzPilot

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    Grandma's going to get run over by a reindeer.
     
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