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Discussion in 'Fedex Freight' started by Redracer3136, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    The variance would lie in the "intense and selfish desire" part........in my mind a person can be financially successful and ambitious without being greedy.......I suppose there is a line where one crosses over, but that line will be different in eveyones mind, so we are debating opinions either way.......hence where I come up with the question posed earlier about which is worse. No matter how much we may believe in our own opinions, they are not concrete facts, thus the joy of debate......
     
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  2. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    You're arguing with a stick.
     
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  3. Ump

    Ump Big Dave's and Billy Lo's love child.

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    You telling someone to let it go. That's rich!!! Or should I say wealthy!! :lmao:
     
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  4. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about that.........I was just trying to relate a story about me watching some squirrels in the yard. One was scurrying around gathering up stuff, but I didn't see any others grouping up and demanding he share the fruits of his labor, protesting his methods of gathering, or condemning him as a greedy 1%er.......I guess it just struck me that squirrels may have things figured out better than a significant part of our population.....
     
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  5. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Won't really disagree with you, but would be interested in knowing where an example of true communism has existed and served to improve the lives for the majority of a society. I believe that too many people are wired for liberty and independence, forcing them to become Dictatorial states in order to maintain power.....
     
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  6. 00mustang

    00mustang JUST LIVING THE DREAM

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    Come on you know those squirrls were union.One working while the rest were watching and at the end of the day they all had the same amount Just saying enjoy the weekend
     
  7. Richard Cranium

    Richard Cranium Well-Known Member

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    Hey!
    Are we done calling each other names and being complete assholes?

    RC really doesn't like competition.
     
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  8. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Well-Known Member

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    My point was you'll get no where with him, he puts his fingers in his ears and stomps his feet like a little kid.
     
  9. Crazy Trucker

    Crazy Trucker Clown Math Expert

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    Pay no attention to the drama queens.
     
  10. SwampRatt

    SwampRatt Well-Known Member

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    It seems we'll need to dive further into the "selfish" part, since intense is generally considered a positive trait (to a point). The truly selfish would be concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself, without regard for others.

    Then we'll need factor in the degree of excess vs acceptable disregard. No mater how far we take it, consensus on a defined line is unlikely.

    We could view your squirrel analogy from a reverse perspective... The lazy one, not securing his stockpile of nuts, might be considered selfish. After all, he/she enjoyed excessive free time, with the hope/expectation of charitable goodwill from the most productive member(s) of their society.

    Now the final question: Who would be the truly greedy/selfish? The well stocked/adequately prepared, who chooses not to share, or the under stocked/under prepared, who expects the others to share?
     
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  11. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    You wanna fight about it?
    LOL.
     
  12. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    Ask the Jews if they believe Jesus Christ is their Savior. Or is he a demon or heretic to them? I'd say the latter...or maybe just a 'teacher'.
    That don't fly by any Christianity unless it's been infiltrated and corrupted...which it has...even by this present Pope.

    It must be nice to say that everybody must work harder whilst somebody else gets all the gravy for doing next to nothing......just for being a chosen one.
    I see similarity in that belief by you towards workers and employers.....and now towards Christians or jews.....It seems you lean Judaic....but that won't do anything for you unless you have the right DNA.
    There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian IMO.
    It's impossible.
    If nobody get to the Father except through Christ....then they are living in sin by not converting.....and should not really be trusted as a people imo.
    Unless you of course want to believe that the Messiah has not come and somehow only the Jews are favorable in God's eyes.
     
  13. slavenomore

    slavenomore US Gov Hears Foreign Corps More Than Nonunions

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    It never did that.....it only widened the wage gap and lengthened the welfare lines....It's a myth and a lie...for few to gain at the nations expense.
     
  14. citydog

    citydog Well-Known Member

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    If you really dig deep the Obama administration started this whole mentality. What we work for is everyone else's. The whole entitlement ideal.
     
  15. Richard Cranium

    Richard Cranium Well-Known Member

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    All this entitlement talk set RC and I to thinking.
    Are we entitled at no cost or effort to us a lifelong supply of good microbrew ales delivered ice cold to our front door every morning?
    And the same for Big Dave?
    Dew for him though, he couldn't handle our stuff.
     
  16. Redracer3136

    Redracer3136 BANNED

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    I'm not certain but I don't think the Federal Govt has started an entitlement program that includes alcoholic beverages...cell phones, yes, but not alcoholic beverages. Give it time though, Commufornia will probably be passing a state law soon...and Big Dave can already get Dew with his EBT card!!
     
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    Redracer3136 BANNED

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    I hate to rehash this topic but I think everyone should find it interesting that the pension proposal that was made in CLT was in fact a multi-employer pension fund!!

    The pension proposal made in CLT was to join one of the Western States Pension Fund's (?) that includes 13 or 14 other teamster's companies. It wasn't a defined pension as in a specific amount every month but rather similar to what we have now...I say similar but there were some differences. For example...

    • our current pension contains only our company, the pension proposal made contained 13 or 14 other teamster companies meaning those companies not only had a say but could also effect our retirement

    • the percentage of our current pension payout is determined by age plus years of service and that percentage is defined...the pension proposal made was that the administer of the plan determined the payout yearly meaning the payout percentage could fluctuate yearly depending on the performance of the fund

    • although the proposed plan has been in existence since '58, our plan created in '08 is currently better funded and has a higher rating

    I'm sure there were some more differences and I'll add those once I do some more research but as for now, it was in fact a multi-employer pension fund that was proposed in CLT.
     
  18. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    Well done sir......almost exactly the point I was looking to make with my earlier question, though you did it in a much more through manner.....
     
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  19. Richard Cranium

    Richard Cranium Well-Known Member

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    I know this for a fact.
    My multi employer defined benefit pension from Western States pension fund from the years 1980 to 1990 when the pension AND medical contribution was approx $2.20 per hour will pay me $625 a month at age 65. My Viking defined benefit pension from 1991 to 2008 will only pay $100 a month more.
    Our new and improved PPA will pay me $230 a month for 2008 to 2018. It's sooo much better.
    SMH
     
  20. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    I very sincerely doubt that is what he is referring to, but it looks as though he wants to run with that narrative.....although it is a weaker argument than I originally gave him credit for....

    I can state without a doubt that any issue with mileage\hourly pay is entirely of his own making. He has an opportunity everyday to make a life choice that would change his pay structure from hourly to mileage. Are there sacrifices involved from a lifestyle aspect? Absolutely. I can respect him valuing quality of life over extra wealth, as I have made that choice before, but I can't respect ire directed towards those that make the choice\sacrifices required to receive the monetary reward. Is someone willing to take on extra hardships for extra money greedy?
     

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