Maybe, but it's all entertainment right? I guess it is kind of like that atrocious, mind-numbing tv show that comes on and you just cant bring yourself to change the channel.....
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Maybe, but it's all entertainment right? I guess it is kind of like that atrocious, mind-numbing tv show that comes on and you just cant bring yourself to change the channel.....
Really?
Is there any documentation? Anonymous sources? Nothing available to the public, that I'm aware of.
1) Western States was in really good shape last time we looked... 2) Your info is interesting... Beyond that, I hate to comment on hearsay.
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Not looking to get into a pissing match with you, or RC, but judging from your previous statements, I am younger than you and RC both. With that being said, y'alls age plus years of service should put you at the max percentage payout with our PPA whereas mine is not, and my payout as of our last statement was more than the $230/month you quoted so yours and RC's has to be higher than that...unless your annual salary is lacking.
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Let me check my last statement, and we will resume that pissing match.
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Where are you gonna live on that?
In a bathroom at a flea market with a pie pan next to you?
Well, guess what I've been told by my father's old union friends is true... We were young men who returned from fighting overseas and the union movement sounded good to us. We were trying to make our mark and provide for our families. That was good for us young to middle age men at that time. But,we didn't realize that the war we fought against germany and japan(for the most part) would creep it's way into American culture.That was WWII.
And it was a tool right out of the Communist Party playbook... Workers of the world Unite! If you were a young man returning from WWII and you worked for a living,you were very likely to be a member of a union.
Please don't misunderstand me... unions have there place in history.They were responsible a lot of things that now are accepted as normal and reasonable. it's just most people don't know why these worker( protections) or safeguards came from. I can answer that? Straight from the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx.
Oh, by the way Fred Smith and the free citizens of the world decided to invest there $$$ money into a new idea that has evolved into all that FEDEX is today. That is known as Capitalism free and simple. You invest and later you thrive.
The union model is invest nothing but emotions and be angry at all that is afforded to you. Huh... yep the union movement is pure communism.
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Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. Mark Twain
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/marktwain120156.html
It was what he was referring to and he says so a bit after my statement.
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Ask and you shall receive, but let's first remind the class of what was said for the last three years...Really?
Is there any documentation? Anonymous sources? Nothing available to the public, that I'm aware of.
1) Western States was in really good shape last time we looked... 2) Your info is interesting... Beyond that, I hate to comment on hearsay.
• "we would never propose a multi-employer pension"
• "as to whether FXFE would be in some sort of multi-employer pension fund. Hoot owl showed (logically) the fallacy in such a theory..."
• "Also, FedEx drivers would never be party to any multi-employer pension..."
• "...there is no way FedEx would agree to nor do the people want to be in a multi-employer pension..."
...just to name a few.
Now, I give you Exhibit A (be sure to read the fine print at the bottom)
Now we'll move on to Exhibit B...further proof that the pension proposal made was in fact a multi-employer plan...
And on to Exhibit C...further proof that there are currently 13 other teamster companies in this particular pension plan...
Let me reiterate that for three years it was said by many that they would never propose a multi-employer pension plan, nor does anyone want to participate in such a plan...yet, that's exactly what happened in CLT, the pension proposal made was in fact a multi-employer pension fund!!
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ಠ▄ಠ was socialist not communist and he really wasnt too much socialism. He prevented communism from creeping into Europe. He disliked communism....and the Jews ere the commies in Russia...and tried to get in Germany. He banned the commies and threw the Jews out of politics....The capitalist jews of the world united and declared worldwide boycot on ಠ▄ಠ.....freemasons and jews are the commies.....and we fought for them...Half Germany was turned commie after the war. They got their way.
Unions destroyed communism in Poland which toppled Europes commies like Dominos.
Here is just one story of the brutality of Communism which was right to Hitlers East his whole life....Millions dead by communism.....and the millions were Christians.....at the hands of communist Jews and Freemasons.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm
Our Jewish businessmen did not stomp out communism after the war...they gave half of Germany to the commies............................Unions are good when combined with Catholicism (best years of economy for the working and middle class here...and for the nation as a whole....plus the combination of Church and unions toppled European Communism).....Bad when in the hands of Jews....and their commie tendencies.......I liked Sanders in the beginning....but realized the religion he was raised with.....and that his office is in a freemason hall in Vermont......I changed to trump who supports Christianity more...at least with Pence under him...........Zuckerberg is now pushing for a universal wage or something....so too are some of his biggest named Jewish CEO types. A wage for not working due to robots taking jobs.......communism. Hawaii is also working on passing that type of thing...a wage for not working.
Just because a guy is an investor or CEO does not mean they don't like communism...for everybody else......as they sit at the oligarch table..............how many businesses fled our capitalist country for communist China or socialis japan or Mexico or India.......if we follow them into letting the market decide...I gaurentee you that in order to compete we will have to be socialist or communist......unless you impose some regs in favor of our nation.....the unions can do that.
Unions destroyed communism in Poland which toppled Europes commies like Dominos.
Here is just one story of the brutality of Communism which was right to Hitlers East his whole life....Millions dead by communism.....and the millions were Christians.....at the hands of communist Jews and Freemasons.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm
Our Jewish businessmen did not stomp out communism after the war...they gave half of Germany to the commies............................Unions are good when combined with Catholicism (best years of economy for the working and middle class here...and for the nation as a whole....plus the combination of Church and unions toppled European Communism).....Bad when in the hands of Jews....and their commie tendencies.......I liked Sanders in the beginning....but realized the religion he was raised with.....and that his office is in a freemason hall in Vermont......I changed to trump who supports Christianity more...at least with Pence under him...........Zuckerberg is now pushing for a universal wage or something....so too are some of his biggest named Jewish CEO types. A wage for not working due to robots taking jobs.......communism. Hawaii is also working on passing that type of thing...a wage for not working.
Just because a guy is an investor or CEO does not mean they don't like communism...for everybody else......as they sit at the oligarch table..............how many businesses fled our capitalist country for communist China or socialis japan or Mexico or India.......if we follow them into letting the market decide...I gaurentee you that in order to compete we will have to be socialist or communist......unless you impose some regs in favor of our nation.....the unions can do that.
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Wow.......
Ask and you shall receive, but let's first remind the class of what was said for the last three years...
• "we would never propose a multi-employer pension"
• "as to whether FXFE would be in some sort of multi-employer pension fund. Hoot owl showed (logically) the fallacy in such a theory..."
• "Also, FedEx drivers would never be party to any multi-employer pension..."
• "...there is no way FedEx would agree to nor do the people want to be in a multi-employer pension..."
...just to name a few.
Now, I give you Exhibit A (be sure to read the fine print at the bottom)
Now we'll move on to Exhibit B...further proof that the pension proposal made was in fact a multi-employer plan...
And on to Exhibit C...further proof that there are currently 13 other teamster companies in this particular pension plan...
Let me reiterate that for three years it was said by many that they would never propose a multi-employer pension plan, nor does anyone want to participate in such a plan...yet, that's exactly what happened in CLT, the pension proposal made was in fact a multi-employer pension fund!!
That looks more like something from Viking. Not to mention Red, employees would vote whether or not to accept the contract proposals.
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Following instructions is not one of your stronger traits...obviously!!
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Swamprat asked for proof not photoshopping from you. As far as your little dig toward me, I'd watch that if I were you. I have plenty of ammo to use against you too, Crash... I mean Red, but no one wants to read that from either of us, so have some respect for the members here and lay off.
Nonsense, POPCORN.
We've had this discussion many times. The truth is very different than your perception.
Rather than retype the whole explanation, I'm going to cut and paste, since I don't expect you to go back research the 10,000 +/- pages.
"What you fail to realize, is the vital/critical role of organized labor in a capitalist system. It's role in providing balance is long recognized as valuable to both union and nonunion workers, alike.
Without getting too deep into it, whether you want to be union, or not, that is your personal choice, but we should all hope and pray that private sector unions continue to exist, remain influential, and available to the labor market."
You seem new to the discussion, so you may want to get up to speed before discounting the benefit of private sector unions, as well as their role in capitalism. NOT Communism...
"Do some research on the vital importance of (private sector) Union representation in all capitalist societies. The corporation is a group of people coming together to achieve what the individual cannot. The Union is also a group of people accomplishing what the individual cannot. THAT IS BALANCE. That is Capitalism at work."
Not every Company's workers need to have representation. It's also true that not every Company can be trusted to balance the needs of the workers against the needs of the stockholders/owners. Also worth mentioning, despite being based on sound principals, every Union is NOT created equally. Some do better than others.
We could go deeper, but that should do for now.
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I'm going to take your word for it that this is real and true.Ask and you shall receive, but let's first remind the class of what was said for the last three years...
• "we would never propose a multi-employer pension"
• "as to whether FXFE would be in some sort of multi-employer pension fund. Hoot owl showed (logically) the fallacy in such a theory..."
• "Also, FedEx drivers would never be party to any multi-employer pension..."
• "...there is no way FedEx would agree to nor do the people want to be in a multi-employer pension..."
...just to name a few.
Now, I give you Exhibit A (be sure to read the fine print at the bottom)
Now we'll move on to Exhibit B...further proof that the pension proposal made was in fact a multi-employer plan...
And on to Exhibit C...further proof that there are currently 13 other teamster companies in this particular pension plan...
Let me reiterate that for three years it was said by many that they would never propose a multi-employer pension plan, nor does anyone want to participate in such a plan...yet, that's exactly what happened in CLT, the pension proposal made was in fact a multi-employer pension fund!!
A couple things to remember: 1)When we talked about the multi employer concept, many wanted us to believe we were going into Central States. 2) We were also talking in terms of all, or at least a large percentage, of FXFE being involved.
Negotiating as a stand alone center (or even 4), it MIGHT be beneficial to join in with an good existing plan, rather than establish a pension plan with only 200 (or 400) drivers. One, or even four centers, can't negotiate to reshape the entire FedEx plan, right?
Next, we must consider the process. It might be a reasonable negotiation tactic to start at the $4.25/hr contribution rate. Have you figured the current contribution at an hourly rate? I also don't know the position of the Company on MEPFs. In the past the discussion was always about Central States. THAT was certainly a no go.
Now, since you brought it up, let's look briefly at WCTPF.
http://www.wctpension.org/forms-documents-webcasts/plan-documents/funding-status
90% funded is quite strong. I seem to recall, the FXFE plan being funded at around 88%, last time we checked. So, was that a horrible option under the circumstances?
As Dick pointed out, the members would have to agree and the Company would have to agree. Nothing like this gets slipped in secretly.
Certainly an interesting topic, and an idea with some merit.
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My "dig" was in response to you not following my instructions to "read the fine print" on Exhibit A, otherwise you wouldn't have made such an idiotic reply...and now you're suggesting I photoshopped something....really?? I'm good but not that good!! CVS called, they're still waiting on you to pick up your meds!!
As for your "ammo against me", take a number and get in line pal...and you might wanna pack a lunch, from what I hear it's a long line!!
Pop corn, I'm not sure what your old union friends are telling you.
I never worked the dock, but had friends that put in 12 or 15 hard, back breaking hrs. a day, only to go home after the long shift
to be called back and work a late arriving trailer.
You could refuse, but that could cost you your job, so just drive a 30 mile trip back to work, put in the hour and told to go home.
For this you recieved 1 hrs pay, about 80 cents, if I remember correctly, no 4 hr, no 6 hr guantee, just 1 hr.
Next day or two the boss hires his brother in law, now since he needs to learn the ropes, he takes your shift and puts you
on the grave yard shift, but he needs to learn the ropes, so its ok, seniority? Oh,that was just a word back then.
Next day his other brother in lay comes to work as a driver, right off the bat he gets the long milage runs, you get the left overs.
Wish you could have been here back in the fifties to help us OLD Communists to deal with these problems.
I guess you would have been satisfied with (things that are reasonable and normal) But who knows, you may have been
a brother in law.
All these years I've been a Communist and didn't know, thanks for setting me straight.
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I would like to pretend I didn't just read this but unfortunately that isn't the case!!I'm going to take your word for it that this is real and true.
A couple things to remember: 1)When we talked about the multi employer concept, many wanted us to believe we were going into Central States. 2) We were also talking in terms of all, or at least a large percentage, of FXFE being involved.
Negotiating as a stand alone center (or even 4), it MIGHT be beneficial to join in with an good existing plan, rather than establish a pension plan with only 200 (or 400) drivers. One, or even four centers, can't negotiate to reshape the entire FedEx plan, right?
Next, we must consider the process. It might be a reasonable negotiation tactic to start at the $4.25/hr contribution rate. Have you figured the current contribution at an hourly rate? I also don't know the position of the Company on MEPFs. In the past the discussion was always about Central States. THAT was certainly a no go.
Now, since you brought it up, let's look briefly at WCTPF.
http://www.wctpension.org/forms-documents-webcasts/plan-documents/funding-status
90% funded is quite strong. I seem to recall, the FXFE plan being funded at around 88%, last time we checked. So, was that a horrible option under the circumstances?
As Dick pointed out, the members would have to agree and the Company would have to agree. Nothing like this gets slipped in secretly.
Certainly an interesting topic, and an idea with some merit.
Damn Swamp, I'm not sure if you're back peddling or spinning faster, either way I think you've made most of the class dizzy!!
For three years you claimed "we'd never be party to a multi-employer pension fund" and now you're attempting to spin and back pedal with.."oh, uh, I meant the CSPF"...and..."uh, I meant all, or atleast a large percentage"...really??
A respectful and creditable reply would've been...wow, what were those guys thinking...or...huh, not very smart on their part...but your true colors shined through when you took the role of attempting to defend their every move, even when it was a stupid move, and you've managed to lose a little credibility in the process!!
Let's attempt stay on track here...CLT proposed a multi-employer pension fund with the Western Comference that was DOA...EPH proposed the $4.25/hour contribution to our existing PPA that was also DOA, and SBR has proposed the stautus quo, meaning they proposed to keep our current PPA "as is" which ironically hasn't been shot down yet that I'm aware of. The company's position on any MEPF has always been a "no go"!!
Seems I remember you bashing our plan being funded at 88% due to the "criteria used" but now the WCF at 90% using the same criteria is "quite strong"...hmmm!!
Ole Dick is right and wrong...right, both parties would have to agree but wrong, considering it never made it that far...the company's stance on MEPF's and the lack of leverage by the drivers to force the issue made their proposal DOA...and they did attempt to "slip it in" by not informing the bargaining unit as a whole of their intentions. I'm guessing most would've advised against it and perhaps they could've garnered more support had they went the route taken by EPH, or even SBR...just sayin'
NOTE: Hopefully this will show the realism of the booklet that exist and put to rest any doubts of photoshopping...
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