Trump ends DACA

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  1. Keepingon

    Keepingon Well-Known Member

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    Just my thoughts, I think Trump sent this back to Conress because it seems like something many of them want. Trump wants Tax Reform by the end of the year and he wants a vote to raise the debt ceiling. He also has a White House meeting with Pelosi, Ryan and crying Chuck tomorrow. Everything is a negotiation. Just saying
     
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    Keepingon Well-Known Member

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    People from other Countries are allowed to enlist as long as they have a visa, they are not allowed to become officers.
     
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  3. ABFer

    ABFer Super Moderator Staff Member

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    It looks credible. I was unable to figure out at what point those immigrants became citizens. It looked like a decent program to me though, they were people who were genuinely trying and contributing to society, not looking for a free ride.
     
  4. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    What's happened is The Overton Window. That's where one side (The Obama regime) pushed things Soo Far Left, that now Repubs will negotiate, and settle on laws bringing the nation Partly closer to the Center from the Left's starting point, and declare victory. While in Reality, surrendering to the Left.

    Illegal immigration, Obama care, Debt, LGBTQXYZ are examples. Obama came to a Centrist Nation, shoved OCare on us, and Repubs wont repeal it. Obama shoved DACA on us, and now people and Trump say its Congress' s job to make DACA legal, when we already have laws on the books describing them as illegals.

    I can go on..... Obama took us Left, the Repubs have become Dems.
     
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  5. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Fundamental Transformation
    just as Barry promised
     
  6. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Yep. The problem is that Congress has become so incompetent and slinky-spined that they can't make a move on anything because they have no real principles.......other than getting re-elected.
     
  7. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Or did Trump do the right thing by involving Congress and dump the burden in their lap? My prediction is that Congress will punt and do nothing within the six months, then Trump can say "okay, I gave them the opportunity and they chose to punt, so now I'm doing an Executive order to stop DACA and follow our rule of law."
    :idunno:
     
  8. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    That's a great question. I think that Trump will use that as a negotiating tool IF (BIG IF) Congress actually proposes something over the next six months.

    Yep. And look at the RINOs like Lindsey Grahamnasty already chiming in. Dang, I despise that puke.
     
  9. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    Heck, we've relaxed the qualifications for the military so much that we have a few in there that aren't sure if they are a man or woman let alone worrying about their citizenship.
    :order:
     
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  10. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash OBAMA'S CREATION.

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    You are exactly right Jimmy, the Dems propose radical left issues, then negotiate with the RINOs to get part of, or most of, what they wanted, thus moving our country further to the left, slowly but surely. There hasn't been a real radical right-winged bill proposed in a long time, that COULD move the bar back toward the right. The Republican leadership is an utter failure.
     
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  11. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    So, does this mean you side with Obama, and want amnesty??? It's the opposite of why Trump was elected...
     
  12. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    He could have ended it on Jan 20th, as he campaigned on. This is a flip flop unless he ends it or vetoes a bill.
     
  13. jimmy g

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    Graham and Schumer are writing this amnesty bill Trump and you guys just demanded them to pass. It's why I'm lost....

    The Repubs are committing suicide either way.
     
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  14. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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    Look
    Thats not what I said and you know it! So the only thing congress can do is give amnesty? I could think of a lot of other things before putting amnesty on the the table!
     
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  15. jimmy g

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    I dont know it. Actually, it appears you'll follow Trump No Matter where he leads. And this action leads to Amnesty, when it ahould have led to ending DACA. By not simply ending DACA immediately, Trump gave this to Congress. Like I already posted- Lindsay Grahmnesty and Chuck Schumer are writing the bill. Call it whatever you want- it's AMNESTY! And Trump will sign it...
     
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    Bart Well-Known Member

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    .......................
     
  17. Bubba74

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    any bill written by anyone in this "beloved" congress will include amnesty for these 800,000 people (probably many more)
    Trump may demand the border wall done before he signs it
    don't get caught like they got Reagan, oops we lost the funding

    the reality is 90% of the congress are leftists and now they got Trump sinking in the swamp too
     
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    As I said,im split of the ideal of letting law abiding,contributors of society being granted extended green cards,as long as they commit no crimes.I would like to know your feelings on some of these folks in the military.Should they be deported???I also realize the Nevertrumpers will jump on anything they feel they can to get in a jab at this administration.Truth is,he is more Conservative than 90% of our elected Congresspeople.
     
  19. jimmy g

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    As Mark Levin pointed out last night, no one is going to be deported. Last Prez to deport noncriminals was Ike. This isn't about deportation.

    Awarding amnesty thru Congress is about the Chamber of Commerce gaining low-cost labor, the Dems gaining voters for their base, and awarding special interest groups benefits from our Treasury. I praise Trump when he does things I agree with. I knock him when he does Dem-type socialist type stuff. This was surrender in the form of deal making. Schumer played him. That's just the way it is.

    Illegals joining the military are at least taking a step to earn their way. Mercenaries, more or less. But I must salute anyone willing to serve in order to gain citizenship- it proves sincerity. I'd put them at the front of the line 'In a path' to citizenship. Others, I would not.

    At the very least, others need to return home/ touch and go, pay fines, speak only English, agree to no government welfare ever, and never be allowed to vote, or ever becoming citizens, as penalties for breaking into the USA. But first and foremost- we need the Wall, and Border Security, or there will be a continuous conga line of Dreamers Forever. Close off more illegals, cut off welfare to illegals, and most will self-deport. Only after that, can we discuss who gets recognized as what.
     
  20. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Yes, and no. He's more conservative than Congress- yes. But he's not conservative, except how he lives his personal life. His views on governance are Big Fed Gov, controlling and providing- same as 90% of Congress. His accomplishments so far have been mostly reversing Obama's Marxist Exec Orders. That's good- needed, and I salute them. I support his views on the border control, his views on taxes, his views on the military. But he's a dealer- an Establishment type, where he'll deal away conservative principles just to make a deal. He's gotten conservative type things headed the right way, but he has no conservative principles. When there's a deal to be made- he, and Congress- have NO Principles....
     
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