Trump's deportation idea similar to 1930s mass removals

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  1. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    If you think Trump will tax the hell out of those companies your dreaming, if they think he might try it you're going to have to get him elected with just the money you and your buds can kick in, because they won't give it to him unless he's bull shitting you.
    That is a good possibility he is bullshitting you.
    If he makes it as the Republican nominee watch for all the changes he makes, he won't be talking like he is now
     
  2. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Not at all I hear you guys say all the time there is too much regulation on business here.
    Now you want to put more regulations on business.
     
  3. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    Who and when? We already have regulations that are tighter than almost every other country in the world. Put tariffs on foreign made products and production come back to the 2nd biggest economy under China, who is one of the biggest polluters by the way. To much regulation doesn't always mean EPA by the way. California makes it almost impossible to build a business between Tax, building code, permits, licensing. hence over regulated. You automatically think pollution of course.
     
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  4. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    unlike Barry
    Trump is not owned by anyone
    Barry is owned by Wall Street in case you haven't noticed
     
  5. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Trump, Jeb, Christy, Huckaby, and several of the Repub candidates are for large government to act how THEY want. I'm for Cruz. Make Government only do what the Constitution allows it to do. Eliminate most bureaus, starting on Day one with the IRS.

    Small government, doing what the States and the Individual wants...
     
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  6. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Pollution and labor protections are big in my book.
    but you're wrong about applying tariffs because as soon as you do the other country you tariffed also does it to your goods. Then more people get laid off here. We need a smarter solution
     
  7. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    It worked before and can work again with Tariffs. We as a country seen some of the biggest incomes as a whole while under Tariffs and Shipping regulations. We really as a country do not export much but grain. The regulations im talking about are tax, building permits, licenses. Not pollution or labor. I wrote that in the quote you are quoting from but you either refused to or didn't read it. Your blowing smoke cause again you are wrong in your assumptions that republican ideas have to mean blowing up the world. Thats what lifetime politicians do. Sell us all out. Im not even a republican. Just don't agree with the extreme socialism and gun control.
     
  8. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    That guy wasn't even born here, he drinks Labatts and plays hockey
     
  9. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    When we really did good was in the 1950's & 60's when the rest of the world was rebuilding from ww2 . We were the only show in town and life was good. Now we have stiff competition.
    Somebody has to come up with a good plan for today, other than that expect life to become tougher and tougher
    so drink and be merry
     
  10. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook

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    Eliminate the IRS, repeal the 16th Amendment, and go with the Fair Tax! That makes zero Corporate tax- lowest in the world. That brings biz flooding back to our nation. Give them the Abandoned manufacturing plants, long as they stay, fix them, and hire for at least 10 years.

    With zero withholding, everyone gets a stimulus! And no one can duck it legally. Even Mags gets to pay!
     
  11. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    Ya cause free trade works so well. It seems to work good for the cooperation thats for sure. Record profits for them leaving our country and leaving nothing but service work for the shrinking middle class.
    Median Household Income Down Last 15 Years - InvestorsInsight.com
    www.investorsinsight.com › 2014/11/25
    Household income has dropped $5000 since 1999. Free trade seems to be great for us huh?
     
  12. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Sure lets elect Hilly an continue down the road of destruction
    You guys act as if you have never been in charge
    you guys have been in charge so much that you have brought the nation to the brink of ruin
    Time for a different direction

    Also, if you feel that a conservative (or worse yet a Rep) is going to be able to unravel the EPA beaucracy or undo 100 years of labor laws, you are really kidding your self
     
  13. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Sure lets elect Hilly an continue down the road of destruction
    You guys act as if you have never been in charge
    you guys have been in charge so much that you have brought the nation to the brink of ruin
    Time for a different direction

    Also, if you feel that a conservative (or worse yet a Rep) is going to be able to unravel the EPA beaucracy or undo 100 years of labor laws, you are really kidding your self
     
  14. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Yes we went to :shit: I can agree. I was never a free trade supporter, thats for corporate benefit
    But they left here for cheap labor elsewhere, we don't want to compete with those wages we won't be able to live here.

    The problem is your trying to make them stay and I wish someone could find a way, but it's like the government telling us what we can and can not do with our own money.
    When Obama or Bush or Clinton or Reagan support these trade bills I have to admit it's over my head. I don't understand the whole program.
    But I did hear a honest man Carter recently say something to the effect of the competition around the world has forced us into a lowering standard of living. I doubt any others will put it this way but it does make sense when you think of it. Others can make the same for way cheaper so they get the sales. Many of the companies who closed up shops here don't actually have factory's elsewhere they just put the product up for bids from locally owed factory's. That way they don't even have to contend with facilities, permits, and labor.
    What would beat that system I don't know, maybe if their intellectual rights get stolen and they lose sales. If Apple can make phones in one building someone can make the identical phone down the block and sell it themselves making greater profits selling it right in China whats Apple going to do about it. Of course they will want our government to enforce trade rules. And we are the people who get stuck with the bill for that.
     
  15. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    The fact is that the government sold us out. We are still the #1 or #2 market in the world and the only reason we are even discussing being #2 is because our government sold us out, pandering to big business, by dropping tariffs. dropping tariffs is what the free trade agreement does since you seem to think they are 2 different things. You on the other hand would rather turn into a 3rd world country and live with wages that the world can complete with. I've seen what China and all those places that make our stuff look like. I don't want any part of living like that. You can't deny the fact that businesses left this country when tariffs were lifted "free trade" to take advantage of cheap labor to squash the competition here. If you don't see it your blind. Our country can't keep our standard of living selling each other houses and working for McDonalds. It's impossible without manufacturing. Businesses will move back to sell to us. There is no doubt cause the money machine is greedy.
     
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  16. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    I'm no expert but I don't think they levied tariffs for eons. They did some stuff with cars and motorcycles in the 70's but it got a work around, Harley was complaining and they put some kind of block on Japanese bikes they had to be this or that can't remember but they met it and people bought them anyway.Then they built assembly plants here to get around it too.
    I may be mistaken its happened, but putting on tariffs invites repercussions they don't want either.
    But the subject is above my pay grade
     
  17. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    Used to be if the foreign companies built it here there was no tariffs so car companies came here to build instead of shipping and paying tariffs. Free trade ended most tariffs so they just build in their country and ship it. Problem is our own countries businesses seen the tax breaks and now produce products in cheaper countrys and sell the product back to us. Now all the money people would be making building the product is lost to other countries and their economies. The Less good paying jobs here the less taxes the government receives so now the government just finds new ways to sneak more from less incomes. Our lifetime politicians are the ones responsible for this. Time for a change I think.
     
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  18. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    The best kind of fight to take to them is to know which products are part of the problem and boycott them.
    Money or the lack of it always grabs attention.
    We could get by without some of it anyway just not my computer its a Dell but where it really comes from who knows
     
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  19. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    I agree! Anything but my computer!
     
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  20. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    If I feel that Trump will ONLY fix 10% of this mess that Obama has created.......he'll get my vote, since the typical politician won't fix any of it.
     

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