Unions may escape Obamacare

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  1. JIM BOB

    JIM BOB Super Moderator Staff Member

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  2. autocar65

    autocar65 Local 767

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    This idea that every Union member is a Liberal is flawed. Most of the members of my local do not like Obamacare and are pretty vocal about it.

    If organized labor can bargain and get medical coverage that will keep them from having to endure Obamacare then why wouldn't they do that? Why is it that now that the ACA has become the debacle that it has been proven (and predicted) to be, why are Unions like the Teamsters held in contempt for avoiding it? It is like a bunch of lobsters in a boiling pot pulling any escapee back into the pot so no one survives. You would think that more working people would see that a united front is much harder to fight than 100 people with 100 different opinions.

    If the collective bargaining process keeps workers and their employers from having to enroll in the ACA then I would say that collective bargaining is part of the solution and there should be more of it. Kinda like their should be more Americans telling the Government to "take a hike....we can handle this without you". Is that not the heart and soul of conservatism? Well, that is why I am paying $10 a week for medical instead of whatever Obamacare is going to cost.

    Kinda like taking an oath to "defend the Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic" only to look up a decade later and find there are more enemies of the Constitution in the US Government than anywhere else in the world. So what does a Vet do when he discovers the Government that signs his paycheck is the same Government that is going to take away his Constitutional Rights? You replace their asses!

    Obamacare needs toppled and I agree with that. It is not affordable and it will do nothing to increase care. It is a tax just like everything becomes a tax. It is just a wedge to get everyone in a system. Right now, many Union members are avoiding it. I would say any American who avoids the Government getting deeper into their business should be commended.....Including the Union member that pays income taxes, Social Security taxes and a butt load of taxes just like every other labor group in the USA. But it isn't going to last, it is a momentary reprieve to be continued after the 2014 elections and if Americans are smart, they will get off their lazy asses and start fighting this thing NOW instead of sitting around complaining that one lobster escaped the boiling pot!
     
  3. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Well-Known Member

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    Taking away YRC's union health care benefits for ACA would probably put them under....they couldn't hire fast enough to replace the guys quitting/retiring.
     
  4. 1tt1

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    Obama
     
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    Cry me a river...socialists opposed to a socialist president...
     
  6. Airbrakes

    Airbrakes Super trucker

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    Union insurance packages are crap anyway. At least the APWU package is.

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  7. Bubba74

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    that constitutes a change in coverage since the passing of Barry Care, therefore, according to the words of the Liar and Chief, those plans are not elegible and those people must use the exchanges.
    This is the justification that the administration is now using to explain why 4.2 million people have lost their health coverage.
    Meanwhile back to reality the real reason is young people. Barry Care needs the young people to pay for the subsidies for the old and sick people. The young people are not showing up because they cannot afford 400% increases in their coverage. By exempting another group, they are really putting Barry Care on the road to collapse, much quicker than even they had thought.

    You cannot have this big "wonderful" program that is going to provide all this stuff, with no one paying for it.
     
  8. Toby

    Toby Well-Known Member

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    With the push to extend the contract out to 2017 or even as some are saying 2019 you can bet that the H&W is in the mix in one way or another. Obamacare needs the money from the union funds and at some point they Will come looking for it no matter what.
     
  9. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    How about this?
    From the article:
    But unions, which were among the strongest supporters of the Affordable Care Act when it passed in 2010, had pressed the administration for changes to the law, arguing that the measure is harmful to insurance plans accessed by more than 15 million union members and would raise costs.


    Anyone who complains about Congress being exempt from the ACA shouldn't be supporting the Unions trying to get out of it either.....because they supported it.
     
  10. SuperCourse

    SuperCourse WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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    Teamsters healthcare is top shelf.
     
  11. Starkravinloon

    Starkravinloon Hero's Falling At Home

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    Check the increases in union and non-union/red state versus blue state increases.. It seems he doesn't care that Illinois is increasing ....

    Obamacare price hikes biggest in these states

    Just because the union guys don't pay for it(that's a myth/in the long run they do) doesn't mean it's the best of coverage...
     
  12. sharpshooter

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    It's the best my wife has seen..and she works in insurance
     
  13. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    I agree 100%. I know that several different doctors had told me that it was top shelf, and I agree. And it's a heck of a lot better than what I have now.

    I'm just a firm believer that if you support something {BarryCare} for everyone else, you should have to live with it also.

    It's not about a "group" thing or "strength in numbers" kind of thing. It's about being exempt from something that you helped put in place. I totally disagree with that stuff. I, as an individual, don't deserve to get stuck with this ObamaCare any more than a Union member should be. But then again, I NEVER supported it to begin with.

    It's one of those "you have to sleep in the bed that you made" kind of things.
     
  14. Starkravinloon

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    I will say this, my first two born were put here for less than a used car, when I was a Teamster.. My outta pocket was less than 2K... But, on the other hand, if the unions get exempted, the people will go nuts... But why should Obama care who gets what..... He's paid his debt to the constituents.... He owes nothing to Hoffa or the unions...
     
  15. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    And if the Unions get exemption from ObamaCare, that's just more people who won't be paying in to support it. It's destined for complete failure.
     
  16. autocar65

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    And as I have said, ACA needs to be canned. It is just far too easy to lump everyone together into the same mold. What "Barry Care" needs is for the clock to be turned back and reconsidered. The bill was passed without anyone reading it and now we get to suffer the consequences. This is another step toward single payer.
     
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    The exemption is temporary. Union members are going to be in the same boat, it is just a matter of time. All these exemptions are designed to do is to create political breathing room so as to not make too many enemies in too short a period of time. We are creating these problems withing the ACA so that in the future there will be no other solution but to go to a single payer.

    Now if you made the exemptions permanent then yeah, your going to get a program that no one can afford and it is going to die on its own lack of merit, and that is why I don't think these exemptions will last. If they do become permanent, then the company paid medical coverage will become taxable as income. This is one way to get everyone to volunteer to join the ACA.

    Either way, the working American is going to lose income and the Government will gain more control. That is the game after all, no one gets anything for free.
     
  18. Bubba74

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    Unlike most people ( that think this is just a bad bill lumped together) I believe that this bill was carefully crafted and orchestrated so that it would fail. The insurance companies would be out of business and the only player left would be the govt, thus, single payer. That is what Barry and the left want. Barry knew that he could not get there in one move, so he had to make several.
    When they were planing this bill and they made full time 29 hours or more, they had to know companies would hire part time only to avoid paying benefits
    They had to know that you cannot insure a healthy 30 year old man for the same cost an overweight 59 year old diabetic women.
    No one is that stupid, not even "progressives" this is designed to fail
     
  19. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    I've caught myself wondering if this ACA is such a bad bill because nobody had actually read the thing since it's conception. It's been said that it was written a long time ago, waiting for a "Messiah" type to come along that was dumb enough to implement it. (and they found one) And, had they known what was actually in it, they wouldn't have passed. Which is still ignorance at the highest level to do such a thing, but at times I've wondered.

    But as Bubba said, they do have one goal in mind, and that's a single payer system. And this is probably just step one of the process to getting us to a single payer system. If this theory isn't what their goal is..........they are just plain stupid, because as is, this thing has no chance of surviving.
     
  20. Starkravinloon

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    Exactly what I've been saying all along.. It's destined to fail..... And the US Government will be the sole holder of your life, in their hands.. I can't understand why folks can't see this coming...

    Apology? Kiss my butt on his apology... Lying to the citizens, knowing it will not work, should be an act of treason and punishable by imprisonment...
     

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