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So if I read it right the union turned down the no vote ?? Confused ,but not surprised , maybe strike time ?
 
A separate deal covering UPS freight workers was rejected with significant turnout and can’t be ratified, the Teamsters said.

The popularity of the Teamsters leadership and General President Jim Hoffa has waned.

 
wongway said:
So if I read it right the union turned down the no vote ?? Confused ,but not surprised , maybe strike time ?
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This is all we need to know. A non vote is a yes vote.Only 44% voted and they call themselves teamsters.They don’t give a damn about selling out their children and grandchildren and I cannot believe the union would even allow such talks.

The 54 percent “no” vote wasn’t enough to block the deal under union rules since less than half the membership turned out to cast ballots, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters said in an emailed statement. With such low participation, two thirds of workers would have had to oppose the deal for the rejection to be valid, the union said.
 
wongway said:
So if I read it right the union turned down the no vote ?? Confused ,but not surprised , maybe strike time ?
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Wong, the majority of UPS "package" will be happy with Hoffa's ratification of contract. It will address much of the unpleasantness that afflicts UPS.

Perhaps after you shut down YRC, you will join UPS pkg. 2000 sleeper teams will be formed due to taking loads off of rail. UPSers in the former CSPF will get a $400 increase in our pension on 1/1/2020. I suspect many, like myself, will hold off retiring for a year. While others will retire early after getting a $400 dollar a month Christmas present. Anyway expect a large exodus at that time.

Many people vote no, on contract because they are gutless Teamsters. Never filed a grievance in their lives. But they make sure everyone knows they have never voted yes on a contract.
 
Bubba Gump said:
Wong, the majority of UPS "package" will be happy with Hoffa's ratification of contract. It will address much of the unpleasantness that afflicts UPS.

Perhaps after you shut down YRC, you will join UPS pkg. 2000 sleeper teams will be formed due to taking loads off of rail. UPSers in the former CSPF will get a $400 increase in our pension on 1/1/2020. I suspect many, like myself, will hold off retiring for a year. While others will retire early after getting a $400 dollar a month Christmas present. Anyway expect a large exodus at that time.

Many people vote no, on contract because they are gutless Teamsters. Never filed a grievance in their lives. But they make sure everyone knows they have never voted yes on a contract.
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Do you think it is fair for the next generation to never reach the same scale as their fellow teamster brothers? UAW did the same thing.Makes them look selfish and greedy to me.
 
Triplex said:
Disgustingly unfair to have current union members voting on something which doesn't affect them at all but only affects those who aren't members yet and who didn't even get a vote.
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Which is why it should be outlawed under National Labor Relations Act.

National Labor Relations Act
Congress enacted the National Labor Relations Act ("NLRA") in 1935 to protect the rights of employees and employers, to encourage collective bargaining, and to curtail certain private sector labor and management practices, which can harm the general welfare of workers, businesses and the U.S. economy.
 
Triplex said:
Disgustingly unfair to have current union members voting on something which doesn't affect them at all but only affects those who aren't members yet and who didn't even get a vote.
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Just ask the "old timers" at these supermarkets (if you can find any still left working) how the wages and fringe benefits used to be. Ask them how that all changed when the UFCW (formerly Retail Clerks Union) allowed "two-tier" in their contracts!


I realize many of these chains are non-union, but you get my drift!

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Bubba Gump said:
Wong, the majority of UPS "package" will be happy with Hoffa's ratification of contract. It will address much of the unpleasantness that afflicts UPS.

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Many people vote no, on contract because they are gutless Teamsters. Never filed a grievance in their lives. But they make sure everyone knows they have never voted yes on a contract.
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This is why the 2/3 majority for a contract rejection is necessary. My view is probably unpopular, but given the make up of the Union rank and file if we didn't have the super majority requirement the Union leadership would not be able to negotiate -- there would be chaos.

The Union membership is made of good people, but . . . it is what it is. You go to contract hearings with the Union that you have, not the one you wish you had.
 
Triplex said:
Disgustingly unfair to have current union members voting on something which doesn't affect them at all but only affects those who aren't members yet and who didn't even get a vote.
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Triplex, what is sad, is there are only 1 1/4 companies left in the NMFA. The rest didn't adjust their pay structure in time. UPS is the golden goose that keeps part or the majority of twenty teamster pension funds afloat. It was very important to adjust UPS's cost structure and work rules. After all UPS drivers aren't exactly living in poverty.
 
Freightmaster1 said:
Just ask the "old timers" at these supermarkets (if you can find any still left working) how the wages and fringe benefits used to be. Ask them how that all changed when the UFCW (formerly Retail Clerks Union) allowed "two-tier" in their contracts!


I realize many of these chains are non-union, but you get my drift!

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Your drift is to never change, drive your company out of business, become a Walmart greeter because your pension fund went broke. That is good policy if your aim is to drive America into a socialist country.
 
falconfan said:
Do you think it is fair for the next generation to never reach the same scale as their fellow teamster brothers? UAW did the same thing.Makes them look selfish and greedy to me.
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If a companies cost structure doesn't allow them to compete, changes have to be made. Preferably when that company is still financially strong. UPS has lost 30% of the market share since the Ron Carey ups strike. this information was provided by FREIGHTMASTER "I really wish he would read first what he post". Anyway, UPS package two tier wage will be a little over $40 an hour for regular drivers, $34.79 for weekend Amazon drivers "most packages under 5lb". No one is going hungry at PKG. this eliminates working over 9.5hrs. this eliminates working over 60 hrs at Christmas. This eliminates some of the harassment, which stems from UPS having to run such a tight ship to survive in the market place.

On the subject of the UAW to tier wage at GM and Chrysler. The Obama administration brokered that deal for a bailout. Obama is responsible for the two tier wage. The UAW pension fund was given a large chunk of the company in exchange, from it's rightful owners. The banks and the bond holders. Who as receivers of their own bailout, were in no position to argue the theft. By the way Ford, didn't take a bailout, the UAW didn't give them a two tier wage. And they are now at a competitive disadvantage. Not going to make cars anymore, sad. You'd think the UAW would work with them to keep jobs in America.

Bottom line is, Obama didn't bail out our pension fund, gave the UAW two tier wages, in exchange for a pension fund bailout.
 
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