Discussion in 'Fedex Freight' started by nasvegas, Jul 10, 2014.
Ohhh here we go , the fight starts......
The ol' "our job is harder than yours" fight.
My dad can beat up your dad! I like that argument, too.
True on all counts, however, the hourly pay is irrelevant when you need money bad enough. I did, but no longer do, and I am now in the LTL business.
One company I worked for, I unloaded 2000 pieces a night loaded onto a 53. I fingerprinted every case, and rolled it down a ramp with the assistance of a helper. I was home everyday and never stayed away from my home terminal once. Now this was night shift, roughly 12 to 14 hours a night. Our lowest paid night driver made in the 80's, our highest in the 120k range. We had no life. I fell in the 95k range..
Do the math. At worst, from a gross standpoint I made 30 an hour based on a 60 hour work week, which was our max. I was a means to an end.
You won't get anywhere on this board with half-assed arguments laced with an insulting, condescending tone in support of some agenda I can't quite discern. You clearly have launched into some sort of personal crusade on this particular thread, and I salute you, sir, for the effort you've put forth.
There is a REASON the pay disparity exists. Back in the day, a road runs required a lay down... alternating 3/2 per week. Extra board had to be prepared to be out for several days. The much higher pay was easily justified. When all that changed and most all runs became turns, out and back, the pay disparity was never adjusted. While there should be a premium paid for working nights, the huge difference is no longer really justified. Most who've done both would agree. Now don't think for one minute that I would suggest bringing the road pay down. No, but city pay should be brought up somewhat, while still paying a premium for working nights. In fact, I think night time road bids should pay a premium over day time road bids. Most industries do pay a premium for 2nd & 3rd shift work.
If I'm wrong, please explain why...
I agree with most...although I'll have to correct your second sentence. Back in the day, few road drivers were lucky to have 3/2's...most ran the system which meant you left on Sun night and got home Sat morn...thus the reason for difference in pay.
As for the night runs to pay a premium, I disagree. Runs are bid in seniority order, everyone starts on nights and works their way to days, "paying their due." We do have some who choose to work nights for various reasons, that's their choice.
I will agree, although almost every company is structured with the road making more than the city, I would like to see the city make more than they do. Some could argue that the city is the backbone of the company...and that would be a good argument...but I'd say we're all spokes in the wheel and it takes EVERYBODY to make that wheel turn...one is just as important as the others.
But Red, seniority would still allow the senior driver to choose whether he wanted the "slightly higher paying" night run , or the nice day run... I really don't see a big problem with such a system. Also wouldn't expect the premium to be more than 3-4 cents/mile.
I've thought a lot about this and I did when I worked there. I'm not going to compare how hard people work that will get us nowhere on here. But it does come down to hours worked. Someone mentioned a 648 mile road run that's a lot of hours to do that. If a city driver worked as many hours as a road driver they would make similar money.
I have lost all interest in the childish non debates on most of these threads!
That nailed it.............
I believe the "pay" disparity (hourly vs mileage) between city and road has actually been closing up over the years........however, the opportunity to work a greater number of hours exists for road drivers due to the nature of ours and most of the rest of the industry's network designs. The earnings between a road driver who puts in 45-50 hours a week and a city driver that did the same would be quite small in difference. The big differences come in where road is pulling 60 hour weeks, which is quite prevalent..........where very little opportunity exists for city drivers to work that number of hours regularly.
Its hogwash to say one "works" any harder than the other........both have their benefits and drawbacks, not to mention both of their importance in the success of our enterprise. The fact remains that most linehaul operations require longer tours of duty to get the freight from point a to b. City operations are generally of a nature that do not necessitate a driver being regularly worked 12 hours a day to meet the needs of the customers/operation in that service area.
One board could solve the issue, allowing greater freedom of choice between the 2 operations........allowing one to both experience the greater earning potential of the road and the enhanced schedule opportunities of the city as their seniority and the bid cycle allowed........
Tough topic the old "one board" is though............really not one that I would touch with a 10 ft pole...............speaking of poles, I better get off that subject before Jeff and crew starts another one to check everyones feelings on the idea.......
And now we have some more published numbers, still combined with Supply Chain, but still growing... buried in this article:
"Strong growth in profit and revenue was reported at less-than-truckload carrier UPS Freight, helping the Supply Chain and Freight business post 7.4% higher revenue of $2.47 billion and profit of $179 million, an increase of 4.7%."
I'm on the West Coast for ABF. We're at $24.13/hr now (not sure what the road guys make). 2% increase in 2015 and 2016. 2.5% increase in 2017. $5.08/hr (or close to that) into our pension. ABF pays TOTAL cost of Health & Welfare.
How many of you know that here at FedEx Freight we have 5 different pay scales? If you don't believe me ask your center manager. They say it's a cost of living thing but I don't believe it because it seems that the large hubs are the ones making the most in these high cost of living places. Did you know that despite the fact that some guys make more money than you for doing the same job we all pay the same amount for insurance and benefits no matter where you live. So if it's about cost of living shouldn't the guy that's paid the lowest amount in wages pay less for insurance? The lowest wage is .5994 per mile and 23.68 per hour if you make that amount you're paying the same for benefits as the guy making the top wage. Just another example of "The Purple Promise" being broke off in you. And I know there are some of you kool aid drinkers out there that think it's fair and the right thing to do but there's nothing fair about it.
Don't forget about the retention bonus that's paid in some, hard to staff, locations.
"Truckload carrier C.R. England is raising driver pay for the third time since November and the second time in the last 40 days, while offering bonuses to successful driver trainers."
Economy Continues to Expand, But Truck Drivers Remain Scarce, Fed Says
C.R. England, Celadon Offer New Driver Pay Packages
"The size of the increase is based on factors including driver tenure and length of haul but on average is a 26% hike to teams with more than six months’ experience."
"...the vacation pay package, offers an accelerated schedule for accruing time off, in which drivers can earn an extra week of vacation after driving as few as 30,000 miles."
Actually that would NOT be the case. With mileage pay being similar in value to OT, almost all of that drivers income is paid at a rate nearly identical to overtime. The only part not paid at that rate would be the drop/hook/fuel portion. A short run road bid could be more similar to a city guy of similar hours, but usually, even in those cases, road would still likely have the advantage.. although to a lesser extent.
Wow Swampy you went back a ways on this one. Ok I ran some numbers and. think my point is still valid, there is no "apples to apples" comparison and I AM IN NO WAY saying who works harder I'm just comparing money and hours. I am having a little trouble finding the mileage pay for line haul so I used $0.59 per mile and $23.68 per hour, feel free to correct me on those numbers. My earlier post referenced a 648 mile road run, I'm not sure who originally posted that but I'll use it as that would (or should) be considered a "good" run pretty much anywhere in the system. Here we go, on that run 648 miles times $0.59 is $382.32, then as I remember how meets work (again feel free to correct me) you get a half hour to build your set in the morning, 15 minutes TO at the meet point (assuming this is a meet), a half hour to drop out at the end of the day and 15 minutes to fuel. That's an hour and a half at $23.68 an hour, which is $35.52 plus $383.32 for a grand total of $418.84. For a city driver to make that he would have to work 14.46 hours at $23.68 an hour with time and a half after 8. Now how many hours did the road driver work to complete that run? I would guess close to 13 as an average, maybe a little less some days and more others. So he works an hour and a half less than you would. But in my opinion there's more to it, number 1, I don't want to work 13 hours EVERY day, 2 your job is more flexible, you can say hey I have a doctors appointment next Tuesday and I need to go home early, the road driver has to try to switch runs or take the day off you don't. If something goes wrong on his run and he's 200 miles from home he's in a hotel, have you ever had to get a room in the city because you couldn't make it back? You have short and long days, his are all long. Again I'm not judging who works harder I'm just saying I don't think the compensation is that unbalanced when you factor in all the other stuff that goes with it, there's more to compensation than just money.