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elvis said:
I am not going to research your posts. Although I do think it is a fare question you pose. I think it is just your unwavering attitude towards this movement from the beginning. I am not sure what your motivation is. You do realize you are beating a dead horse though. Right? This is going to happen, no matter how many holes you poke in this contract. I think you just love the debate. I do recall one of your posts stating that if this company goes union, that you had an ace in the hole, or another option, or something to that affect. That sounds anti union to me. Am I wrong? Elvis out....
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I have never been against the movement, I have been against this contract, which we don't have to accept. road drivers take it up the rear with this contract. Name a benefit that a road driver gets.

Beating a dead horse? Only Indy has passed there contract. so I guess I should just keep my mouth shut becuase I don't have the same rights as a "pro-union" employees does to voice his concerns?

Yes one of my posts said I had another option if didn't want to join the union. But that is a far cry from labeling my an anti-union person. If I was so anti-union I would have posted it here and made more people aware of what they could do.

I agree with your previous post 100% But there are people on here that just want some "power" to get back at there sups, tm's and fellow employees. That will just continue the endless cycle of hatered. And do much more damage than my "anti-union" posts. Once this gets passed the slate should be wiped clean, on both sides.
 
Overnite said:
I have never been against the movement, I have been against this contract, which we don't have to accept. road drivers take it up the rear with this contract. Name a benefit that a road driver gets.

Beating a dead horse? Only Indy has passed there contract. so I guess I should just keep my mouth shut becuase I don't have the same rights as a "pro-union" employees does to voice his concerns?

Yes one of my posts said I had another option if didn't want to join the union. But that is a far cry from labeling my an anti-union person. If I was so anti-union I would have posted it here and made more people aware of what they could do.

I agree with your previous post 100% But there are people on here that just want some "power" to get back at there sups, tm's and fellow employees. That will just continue the endless cycle of hatered. And do much more damage than my "anti-union" posts. Once this gets passed the slate should be wiped clean, on both sides.
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Road driver benefit. A penny a mile every 6 months until the end of the contract. Topping out at 66 cents per mile. All time payed while on duty. The debate whether we get actual delay pay or only compensation for work performed will have to continue at a later date. Either way, it is better than what we have now. No. You should not keep your mouth shut. And yes. You are beating a dead horse. There will be many more joining Indy. And you still haven't admitted what your option is. You didn't answer it before either. Elvis out....
 
elvis said:
So what is a company man? Are you insinuating that someone here cares less than you do about this company's' viability? I think everyone here can agree that our job security depends on the fact that upsf must be prosperous. You insult us all by insinuating that this union movement is a greedy, selfish power grab, by the pro union people. This should be perceived as a partnership to promote an equitable, structured, workplace for all employees to feel comfortable contributing to. How does this make us any less a company man then you? Our goal should be, to make sure this company makes huge profits over the next 5 years. This will undeniably sweeten our next contract. How is that for a company man? Give and take. What a concept! Elvis out....
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Wow Elvis (Jay Leno:hysterical:) That is pretty deep. I had no idea you were so well versed. If you ever start a company your first move should be to hire certain individuals from here to help set up an H R department. Then you should change the Font on this post above have it framed and make it your company vision.I don't remember accusing anyone of not being a good "company man" I think i said it is possible to be a company man and a union man, Come on and get your head out of the nanner sandwich:hysterical:Peace Out
 
JBR,
The term Company Man is more or less a negative nickname given to Union men who seem to be more loyal to the Company and less toward the Union who was responsible for their good pay, conditions, benefits, and so forth. Having said that, I know guys who are Union Officials now but when they were in the rank and file they were real workhorses. There's not a thing wrong with being a good worker.....the Companies need that out if us to survive. But I'm sure we all know people who would jump off of a bridge for their employer while the employer would probably just laugh and hire someone else to replace him. While your terminal might have a good boss or bosses and maybe some others do too....overall at the corporate level we mean nothing to them. And that's every Company. That's part of the reason why those considered "Company Men" are sometimes looked down upon. Because they're totally dedicated to an entity who cares little or nothing about them.
 
stldude44 said:
JBR,
The term Company Man is more or less a negative nickname given to Union men who seem to be more loyal to the Company and less toward the Union who was responsible for their good pay, conditions, benefits, and so forth. Having said that, I know guys who are Union Officials now but when they were in the rank and file they were real workhorses. There's not a thing wrong with being a good worker.....the Companies need that out if us to survive. But I'm sure we all know people who would jump off of a bridge for their employer while the employer would probably just laugh and hire someone else to replace him. While your terminal might have a good boss or bosses and maybe some others do too....overall at the corporate level we mean nothing to them. And that's every Company. That's part of the reason why those considered "Company Men" are sometimes looked down upon. Because they're totally dedicated to an entity who cares little or nothing about them.
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Stl thanks for the clarification. However, I know that OVNT. is no longer but that company took care of alot of families for quite some time. That would be why so many individuals were dedicated to it. Some were dedicated to the company as you and others are to the Teamsters. Some on here speak of wrongdoings by the co. While my wrongdoings were done by the Teamsters. As I have said in previous posts "This is what makes america great" we agree to disagree. You are not going to change my mind nor will I change yours. Peace Out
 
stldude44 said:
JBR,
The term Company Man is more or less a negative nickname given to Union men who seem to be more loyal to the Company and less toward the Union who was responsible for their good pay, conditions, benefits, and so forth. Having said that, I know guys who are Union Officials now but when they were in the rank and file they were real workhorses. There's not a thing wrong with being a good worker.....the Companies need that out if us to survive. But I'm sure we all know people who would jump off of a bridge for their employer while the employer would probably just laugh and hire someone else to replace him. While your terminal might have a good boss or bosses and maybe some others do too....overall at the corporate level we mean nothing to them. And that's every Company. That's part of the reason why those considered "Company Men" are sometimes looked down upon. Because they're totally dedicated to an entity who cares little or nothing about them.
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We are nothing but expendable commodities.:1036316054:
 
JBR,
I'm not trying to change your mind. And I don't doubt that many were happy at O. Hell, years ago almost all Companies cared about their employees but unfortunately that's all gone. It's all the corporate America numbers game now. And it's not that I'm only dedicated to the Teamsters.....I do a good job for Yellow too. I'm sure they'd tell you they have no complaints with my job performance. But I know that the Teamsters are the reason for the good things about this job.
 
elvis said:
So what is a company man? Are you insinuating that someone here cares less than you do about this company's' viability? I think everyone here can agree that our job security depends on the fact that upsf must be prosperous. You insult us all by insinuating that this union movement is a greedy, selfish power grab, by the pro union people. This should be perceived as a partnership to promote an equitable, structured, workplace for all employees to feel comfortable contributing to. How does this make us any less a company man then you? Our goal should be, to make sure this company makes huge profits over the next 5 years. This will undeniably sweeten our next contract. How is that for a company man? Give and take. What a concept! Elvis out....
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Did Elvis say all that? Way to go Elvis...:funky:
 
Overnite said:
I have never been against the movement, I have been against this contract, which we don't have to accept. road drivers take it up the rear with this contract. Name a benefit that a road driver gets.

Beating a dead horse? Only Indy has passed there contract. so I guess I should just keep my mouth shut becuase I don't have the same rights as a "pro-union" employees does to voice his concerns?

Yes one of my posts said I had another option if didn't want to join the union. But that is a far cry from labeling my an anti-union person. If I was so anti-union I would have posted it here and made more people aware of what they could do.

I agree with your previous post 100% But there are people on here that just want some "power" to get back at there sups, tm's and fellow employees. That will just continue the endless cycle of hatered. And do much more damage than my "anti-union" posts. Once this gets passed the slate should be wiped clean, on both sides.
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Unless they totally lied to all of us out west that signed cards. Overnite we WILL be voting on a contract out west.
If we don't like it we can send them back to the tables. Let's see if history repeats itself.:1036316054:
 
elvis said:
So what is a company man? Are you insinuating that someone here cares less than you do about this company's' viability? I think everyone here can agree that our job security depends on the fact that upsf must be prosperous. You insult us all by insinuating that this union movement is a greedy, selfish power grab, by the pro union people. This should be perceived as a partnership to promote an equitable, structured, workplace for all employees to feel comfortable contributing to. How does this make us any less a company man then you? Our goal should be, to make sure this company makes huge profits over the next 5 years. This will undeniably sweeten our next contract. How is that for a company man? Give and take. What a concept! Elvis out....
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Business is Business, and I could not agree with you more, union or not, without prosperity comes no jobs.

G.O.D. is one fine example of this (NON UNION)
Yellow could be another fine example if dollar Bill does not turn things around, the only outcome ( union or not) is the employees loosing thier jobs.

It is in our best interests too ensure this company is profitable.
 
Johnny Big Rig said:
Boy all you union guys really got us this time, But hey after getting your a**es handed to you for more years than I can recall, You were overdue. Yall even did better than the Red Sox, Hell it took them 86 years to claim something more than a moral victory. You guys sure are lucky that UPS bought us out cause now all you card carrying represented workers are gonna get everything and those that aren't probably won't get to work anymore, NOT! I will continue to work and will stand by and watch "The Prisoners" run the place, Right? NOT! Best of Luck to you Liebs, I hope you get a good steward. Cuz man you gonna need em'. And yeah I am one of those 3 or 4 company men on here. Just remember it is possible to be a company man and a union member at the same time. Peace Out:funky:
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First of all I see this as "Division" something "O" basked in. Division is what kept this company from being union. but as you have said a company man can be a union member. This is business and nothing personal, and should be kept that way we go to work because we all need money, not because we enjoy doing what we do, I am sure alot of people who post here can find better things to do if there was no monetary prize considered by the company for the fruits of thier labor.

This should not be a us against them mantality. The union was handed to us to provide a vehicle into what most of us consider the "American dream" to have a right to vote for a union is nothing more then the pursuit of happiness, freedom and liberty, this is something we as Americans have basked in for years.

If some of us so called union guy's want this to be a part of our work environment why is this wrong, and furthermore, why is the end result "Bad" because corperate America says so, well that is naive too allow corperate America to make the decision for us after all that in itself is a socialistic practice.Something we as americans do not believe in, but practice more everyday.

We now have the right too talk with out retaliation, this is called freedom of speech, something most apply too considering thought's get thrown around this board on a regular basis.
If this is being a union man as opposed to a company man then I am all for it.

AND BESIDES, I REALLY WANT THAT CRUISE WITH LEO AND GORDIE, I THINK I DESREVE IT. IF YOU TURDS WANT TO THROW THAT AWAY, YOU ARE ALL FOOLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Accelerator said:
The union was handed to us to provide a vehicle into what most of us consider the "American dream" to have a right to vote for a union is nothing more then the pursuit of happiness, freedom and liberty.
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:hysterical:

If some of us so called union guy's want this to be a part of our work environment why is this wrong, and furthermore, why is the end result "Bad" because corperate America says so, well that is naive too allow corperate America to make the decision for us after all that in itself is a socialistic practice.Something we as americans do not believe in, but practice more everyday.
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Speaking of Socialism.... Have the Teamsters announced which Socialist in the Dem party they are supporting yet?
thought's get thrown around this board on a regular basis.
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Most of what gets thrown around here would be better off being flushed.:hysterical::smilie_132:
 
GLAD TO BE_UPSF said:
:hide::hide: Scary:hide::hide:
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He may be scary but he is the only candidate who publicly endorses the Employee Free Choice Act. This is a big deal. And that is precisely why Hoffa and the IBT endorse him. Folks, the above mentioned act would really be a shot in the arm for organized labor. Whether you are anti or pro union, this legislation will help the working man. I don't know much about Obama, but he gets two thumbs up for his stance on the EFCA. Elvis out....
 
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