Whats in your pocket?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Magoo, Jan 1, 2018.

  1. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    Low lifes are people who are against others gaining their full rights and privileges as US citizens. Many of the southern Democrats were fighting mad about school integration, voting rights and the whole civil rights movement.
    Those Democrats became disgusted with the way they seen their party going so they left.
    Those are the low lifes I refer to, I'm sure your not one of those.
    There are many Democrats left in the South although we did lose many White Democrats.
    But thats not the partys fault is it?
    Theres right and theres wrong and you have to get on the right side in my opinion.
     
  2. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    There is the sytem of lending and borrowing that you guys don't understand because the propaganda they tell you all the time.
    Lets me be straight The SS Administration collects payroll SS deposits from employers and the self employed.
    They must invest that money by law and earn interest on it.
    It's lent to the Federal government like Treasury bills are.
    Now its not the SS Administrations fault if Congress decides it doesn't want to meet it's obligations and pay it back.
    Why would they not want to pay it back?
    I told you why.
    It would take money they would rather spend on other things.
    Like the tax cut they just past, it will raise the deficit 1.5 Trillion in 10 years.
    Thats money they could have used to spend on projects like infrastructure or returning the funds to Social Security.


    Your party has always tried to get rid of SS & Medicare and it will continue trying.
     
  3. DCM_Doc

    DCM_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Johnson "Borrowed" from social security to finance the Vietnam war. Did that get paid back? If you will look he was a lifelong Democrat & a very liberal one at that.
    The Democratic Party I remember as a child ceased to exist many years ago.
     
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  4. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    All the money going into SS Adminstration not paid out that same month is borrowed by the government
     
  5. DCM_Doc

    DCM_Doc Well-Known Member

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    At one time in this state declaring yourself to be Republican was putting yourself & your family in danger. We had a Democratic governor & legislature. The governor, Orval Faubus who is best known for blocking black students from public schools ruled with an iron fist. Google Central High School. The Republican president (Dwight Eisenhower) flew federal troops in to secure the safety of those students. Faubus fought labor unions while people worked for minimum wage. Finally a Republican, Winthrop Rockefeller won the governor's race. He was considered to be a liberal by many. He was wealthy but he was generous & compassionate. I still have trouble comprehending how people can be so loyal to a party that held the state back for so many years.
     
  6. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    That party in the south is no more. Those folks went over to the republican side.
    Ronald Reagan reached out to them in his opening campaign for President he held it in a small Southern city known for the problems it had with the *** killing blacks. I forgot the details, but you can look it up.
    He was sending the message that he wants them in his party. Most already left the Democrat party prior to that but he cleaned up many of the holders on. I think George Bush jr tried to finish it up later.
     
  7. Rastus

    Rastus ..MAGA.. AD-FREE USER

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    Bla bla bla. Even history says Democrats wore the hoods. Stfu
     
  8. DCM_Doc

    DCM_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Robert Byrd never left the Democratic party. Have you ever looked at the Civil Rights Act vote count & which party passed it?
     
  9. Rastus

    Rastus ..MAGA.. AD-FREE USER

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    Someone posted LBJ’s opinion of what it took to get the black vote
    LBJ and Kennedy were the two Democrats who got the US buried in Vietnam.
     
  10. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash They will make you look foolish.

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    "They must invest the money by law"? That's a laugher. If they cared about the laws written for SS to begin with, the fund wouldn't be broke.

    Ya, they do like to spend the SS money on "other things" alright,........like other social programs.
     
  11. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash They will make you look foolish.

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    It's a friggin pansy
    Your party was on the wrong side alright.......of slavery.
     
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  12. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash They will make you look foolish.

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    The Democrats worshipped Robert *** Byrd until the day he died.
     
  13. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    that will be the next major court case
    my company drug screens
    my state says its legal
    is not then the company denying a right provided for by the state? thus denying a "civil right?"

    Still trying to figure out how states are doing this in the first place, Federally, its still illegal and Federal law trumps state law

    I guess that is why it is an all cash business, being so I'm sure that every dime will be properly recorded and the taxes paid, after all the states are counting on that money
     
  14. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

    Best seen by the region the politicians came from,divide them into two groups Northern States and Southern States ( those who once belonged to the confederacy) You'll see it was past by Northern votes, Southerners largly voted no

    By party and region[edit]
    Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

    The original House version:

    • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
    • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
    • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
    • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
    The Senate version:

     
  15. Rastus

    Rastus ..MAGA.. AD-FREE USER

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    You know you live in Florida and that’s like the south.
     
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  16. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    So you say they should bury the money in a vault? You'll have to have Congress change the law.
     
  17. Northern Flash

    Northern Flash They will make you look foolish.

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    So you say that you are still a registered sex offender?
    Don't put words in my mouth.
     
  18. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook AD-FREE USER

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    Helvering vs Davis, SCOTUS, 1937. SSI is a General Tax, and goes to the Treasury. It's spent daily, on whatever Congress decides...
     
  19. Magoo

    Magoo You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out

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    You bring this case up often so I looked it up.
    The court affirmed the Social Security program was legal after some investor ***** brought a case to put a halt to his company having to pay the SS tax on its employees.

    The part you mistake for Congress spending the money is that it must be spent on welfare of the people.

    Helvering v. Davis
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Helvering v. Davis
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    Supreme Court of the United States
    Argued May 5, 1937
    Decided May 24, 1937
    Full case name
    Guy T. Helvering, Commissioner of Internal Revenue v. Davis
    Citations 301 U.S. 619 (more)
    Holding
    The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way. The Social Security Act of 1935 does not contravene the Tenth Amendment, as Congress is permitted to spend for the general welfare.
    Court membership
    Chief Justice
    Charles E. Hughes
    Associate Justices
    Willis Van Devanter · James C. McReynolds
    Louis Brandeis · George Sutherland
    Pierce Butler · Harlan F. Stone
    Owen J. Roberts · Benjamin N. Cardozo
    Case opinions
    Majority
    Cardozo, joined by Hughes, Brandeis, Stone, Sutherland, Van Devanter, and Roberts
    Dissent McReynolds, joined by Butler
    Laws applied
    U.S. Const. Art. I § 8, amend. X; Social Security Act of 1935
    Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 (1937), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that Social Security was constitutionally permissible as an exercise of the federal power to spend for the general welfare, and did not contravene the 10th Amendment. The Court's 7-2 decision defended the constitutionality of the Social Security Act of 1935, requiring only that welfare spending be for the common benefit as distinguished from some mere local purpose. It affirmed a District Court decree that held that the tax upon employees was not properly at issue, and that the tax upon employers was constitutional.

    Facts[edit]
    A shareholder of the Edison Electric Illuminating Company brought a derivative action to restrain the company from making payments and deductions required by the Social Security Act 1935 on the ground that it was unconstitutional. He sought an injunction, and a declaration that the Act was void.

    Judgment[edit]
    The Opinion of the Supreme Court in the case was written by Justice Benjamin N. Cardozo. This decision supported the right of the Congress to interpret the "general welfare" clause in the U.S. Constitution.

    “ Congress may spend money in aid of the 'general welfare'... There have been great statesmen in our history who have stood for other views... The line must still be drawn between one welfare and another, between particular and general. Where this shall be placed cannot be known through a formula in advance of the event... The discretion belongs to Congress, unless the choice is clearly wrong, a display of arbitrary power, not an exercise of judgment. This is now familiar law....


    Now we get back to the SS funds taken in, it must be lent to the government to earn interest.
    Which means it also must be repaid.
    Republicans don't like the idea of repaying the borrowed money.
    Alan Simpson said that would be a huge burden to have to repay that debt.
    It would mean that they would have to curb spending and stop these tax cuts for people who don't need them.
     
  20. jimmy g

    jimmy g Kook AD-FREE USER

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    You quoted part, then YOU, NOT SCOTUS, said that it must be used as YOU determine. Then you add that it must be repaid to SSI. Scotus, in Helvering doesn't say this.the Helvering Decision says it's a tax to the General Fund, spent for the General Welfare of the People (that's what Congress is supposedly doing every day).

    Let's quote YOUR quote:


    “ Congress may spend money in aid of the 'general welfare'... There have been great statesmen in our history who have stood for other views... The line must still be drawn between one welfare and another, between particular and general. Where this shall be placed cannot be known through a formula in advance of the event... The discretion belongs to Congress, unless the choice is clearly wrong, a display of arbitrary power, not an exercise of judgment. This is now familiar law....


    Specifically, in Helvering- an Old Age Fund was forbidden. They said SSI is General taxes, spent as Congress deems necessary, for the General Good of the People. You even quoted it, before you ignored it!
     

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