When I hear people blame Obama, say we're in bad shape I don't get it

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Magoo, Mar 1, 2016.

  1. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    the problem is you cannot take away the Marxist rhetoric because that is what he is
    He believes the state should control everything
     
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  2. EX396

    EX396 Well-Known Member

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    Carson strikes me as an honest man.

    I believe Sanders really cares and believes he can make changes for the better. However, his ideology is wrong. Socialism doesn't work.

    As much as I think Obama is the worst POS President we've ever had, I believe he's an intelligent man who also believed he could make changes for the better. His solutions are just completely bass ackwards.
     
  3. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    That's an easy question.....The same way some people, who feel they are in the "right mind," can think that Cruz or Rubio would be a better choice.......It's about perspective...
     
  4. EX396

    EX396 Well-Known Member

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    It sure is about perspective. What perspective makes it acceptable to vote for somebody like Hillary who should be in prison? What perspective makes it preferable to elect an admitted socialist?
     
  5. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    I've never heard him say that......but aside from that, I assume that you're fine with Corporations, I.E. "Private Business" having control over everything...... How's that working out??.... I recall you complaining about "crony Capitalism"...... well....yes corrupted Capitalism is not working either........but you, along with the masses, will continue to support that system anyway.......

    There needs to be balance in the system.......not total control by either the "State" or by Corporations....
     
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  6. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying it is unacceptable that anyone should vote for someone other than whom you "approve"....?

    It is just as "acceptable" for you to Vote for your choice as it is for anyone else to vote for theirs......


    The perspective of the Majority.....in theory anyway........ Calm down...He hasn't been elected yet (President)...and likely won't be....
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    .Basically the reasons that you support whom ever you do.... will be almost the same reasons that those that support Clinton or Sanders...... Both believe that their choice will be in the best interests of making this a better Nation for all of us....... That is the common shared Perspective of "voters" ,without regard for Political "Flavor"
     
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  7. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    Trump is the best choice. ..
     
  8. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your Perspective Woody.....
     
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  9. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    Come on. .... sure the guy has faults but He wins...I'm so sick of losing can we please win for 4 yrs. America is being stripped maybe an azzhOle is the only choice.
     
  10. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    Yes I prefer capitalism not the hybrides that we currently have
    You can choose to do business with a Corp a govt can get rid of you
     
  11. EX396

    EX396 Well-Known Member

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    Never made such an absurd statement. I am merely asking how an American Citizen can justify supporting somebody with HIllary's background or Bernie's idea of Utopia.

    Neither side is trying to make this Country a better Nation for all of us. Who are you kidding?
     
  12. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    easy
    I get free stuff, and you pay for it
    Explains a lot

    The one I really don't get is Hilly
     
  13. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    Hilly is a female ?..I give up
     
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    Northern Flash Piss on our Flag, get a boycott against you.

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    They love the leftists, but can't and won't explain why. It's always just cute little slogans that divert the attention away from their real agenda.
    But I admit, if I were a leftist, I'd hide from talking about the facts also, since they would be embarrassing to be supportive of.
     
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  15. pilot87

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    We are never going to be the "capitalist" Nation that you dream about.... The System has been corrupted...you know that....you talk about "crony Capitalism"..... There isn't a politician running for office...or that is already in office, that is going to actually change that.....

    I'm not "knocking" your preference...Just pointing out it's not the Utopia that you may think it is....

    You can choose to do business with a Corporation....and if they don't need you any longer...that Corporation can choose to get rid of you.....
     
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    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    You're right about all the "Cute little slogans".....All the Politicians have their catchy slogans to lure people in....Yes even the "conservatives" have theirs too...... That's the whole idea behind them....to divert our attention away from what they will really do...... So, on that point I agree....

    I guess where we disagree is the fact that you think that only the "left" does that........
     
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    The government can just ignore you......even cheaper than getting rid of you.......

    Enforcing the tenth amendment and adopting congressional term limits are about the only thing that will fix the system at this point....
     
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  18. Woody

    Woody Sons of Trump

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    Perfect solution. ....
     
  19. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    The answer is the same....... Those that don't support any Republican Candidate ask themselves the same thing about your choice.... From their perspective on how they view things, Clinton or Sanders to them, represent the best choice......just like you feel, from your perspective, that your choice is the best for you..... Doesn't mean that you have to agree with them...or them with you...... I'm merely trying to answer your question....

    An American citizen shouldn't really have to "Justify" their vote to anyone.....I'm sure you don't feel like you should have to justify your choice....


    I'm not sure of your point here....Most "voters" feel that "electing" their choice is in the best interest of the Good of the Nation....
    On one level I can agree.... "neither side is trying to make this Country a better Nation for all of us" I think that both Parties are only going to continue to make it better for those that have "purchased" the power and influence they want... The rest of us average Citizens aren't in that group.......

    So if "neither side is not trying to make this a better Country for "all" of us"....then why are you supporting one of those "sides"?.... Just asking....
     
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  20. Bubba74

    Bubba74 Well-Known Member

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    very aware of that
    too much money at stake, that is part of the reason the Reps party is so anti- Trump, they don't want him getting his hands on their "
    pie"

    As for corps getting rid of you, possible yes, but I would rather take my chances with a corp than a govt that can put you up against a wall

    this notion died a long time ago
    its not whats for the good of the nation, its what is best for me, who is going to give me more
    Franklin said the Rep was doomed when people realized they can vote themselves a check from the treasury
    We are doomed
     
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