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FRTCHUCKER said:
You are acting like you are part owner of UPSF. That is your ideology fighting Reality. We are Employees of a Giant Corporation and we will take what they are willing to give us period. Even though the mob thinks the Union has some magical power to force them to give more. Ups spends more money per year on Analytics than UPSF generates every year to forecast cost and any possible pitfalls along the way. Be a little more gracious for what we have and then we can improve work conditions with our Local unions help.
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Well I am technically a part owner as a Class B Shareholder. But I digress. No ::shit:: they spend more on analytics. What kind of moron do you think I am? Apparently you think I don’t grasp the size and scope of package to freight? **** working conditions. I’m more interested in cash and growing it over the long term. Whose the socialist now?
 
UPSFreight said:
Don’t insult my intelligence. I agree with you 100% that no company is obligated to provide benefits to any employee in the United States of America. And once again, I get total compensation. I’m not a moron. My perception of reality is based upon your P&L and it’s impact on my personal finances. I guess if I were being compensated with one time bonuses and stock options grants without meeting my targets I’d be happy too!
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I'm not implying that your not intelligent. I'm saying you have been misguided in your Reasoning in this notion that you are entitled to someone else's Wealth. It is none of yours or mine business what UPS does or does not do with its money. If you would like to attain the Wealth of a Corporate officer at UPS then by all means hit the books get a degree in business and Logistics then climb that ladder. Any able minded person in this country can do just that. I know I'm not going to change your mind about our Capitalist system by going back and forth on this forum but I hope we can get through this to the other side and work together on getting employees involved at the local level to prevent the labor disputes that rarely ever leave the employees whole when the dust settles. Take care
 
FRTCHUCKER said:
I'm not implying that your not intelligent. I'm saying you have been misguided in your Reasoning in this notion that you are entitled to someone else's Wealth. It is none of yours or mine business what UPS does or does not do with its money. If you would like to attain the Wealth of a Corporate officer at UPS then by all means hit the books get a degree in business and Logistics then climb that ladder. Any able minded person in this country can do just that. I know I'm not going to change your mind about our Capitalist system by going back and forth on this forum but I hope we can get through this to the other side and work together on getting employees involved at the local level to prevent the labor disputes that rarely ever leave the employees whole when the dust settles. Take care
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For the record I do not feel I am entitled to someone else’s wealth. That idea repulses me. I’m already college educated. Been there done that. I’m too old to want to hit the books again. Put me under the category of “I’ve got the experience.” And for Gods sake I’m a Capitalist not a Socialist. I can tell you for a fact that had the employees gotten a decent raise the contract would have passed on the first vote. Good talking to you.
 
UPSFreight said:
Yes. The old system is a formula based on income, years of service and credits. The new system is a flat rate based on years of service. The new system pays out about 50% less in gross monthly benefits. It sucks! There are quite s few still utilizing the old system. And those are the YES voters. They shafted all the other UPS Freight drivers who couldn’t opt into it five years ago because of minimum income level requirements.
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We did take a hit on the pension last contact. But it is mainly road drivers that's on the old plan. It was anyone that makes over 73,000 that year I think. Most all of us make over 73,000 now and the union has been week negotiating contracts. The old plan was based on yearly income so you didn't have to negotiate increases.
 
FRTCHUCKER said:
That is your opinion not a Fact. The UPSF Health benefits increased 7% for 2019. The $2.20 raise is a 1.5 % Raise per year. The pension contribution adds up to roughly 5% increase over 5 years. That is a total of 13.5 % increase in total compensation per year over the entire contract. Your telling me that 13.5 % is not keeping up with inflation? Come on people wake up. if you owned a small business and you had to do a profit and loss statement every month you would see this for what it is.
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And this is exactly why this LBFO contract in not worth striking over or even worse the closing of the company. People need to understand exactly what LBFO (Last Best Final Offer) really means. Take the contract or the doors will be closed. UPS Coyote, UPS Truck load and UPS cartage is on standby waiting for your jobs.
 
buffalobill said:
did you take any conccesions, yes or no, answer the question,:censored:?
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You are losing it Docker, no one at package took a cut, a new driver classification was created. Everyone will benefit from the creation of that new driver classification. Most importantly the Shippers and the Consumer the ones who pay the bills
 
Bubba Gump said:
Well, big talkers, you were goaded into voting Hell No. Now your resolve is wavering. Where is Sean O'Brien, Fred Zuckerman and their socialist propogandist TDU. They most certainly aren't, giving you encouraging words, to give you resolve to stand up to UPS.

UPS obviously has made a strategic decision to put an end to unreasonable Teamster employee financial demands. UPS will not be able to compete in the future if it is saddle with excessive employee compensation. It's math stupid.

UPS is in business to make money, not to provide Teamsters with jobs. UPS non union employees have had their pensions eliminated, haven't gotten the raises union employees have. They deserve part of the pie too. They think Teamsters are selfish and unreasonable.

UPS freight you are being made an example, should be an interesting November!
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Where's Waldo, Sean, Fred and TDU, the troops need reassurances in the face of the enemy(UPS). People lets keep this thread on topic.
 
Bubba Gump said:
You are losing it Docker, no one at package took a cut, a new driver classification was created. Everyone will benefit from the creation of that new driver classification. Most importantly the Shippers and the Consumer the ones who pay the bills
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so you're fine as long as the cuts and 2nd tier dont apply to you. quite the selfish piece of ::shit:: you are.
 
Bubba Gump said:
Where's Waldo, Sean, Fred and TDU, the troops need reassurances in the face of the enemy(UPS). People lets keep this thread on topic.
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you sure dont talk like a union member, who do you really work for? the only thing you ever take interest in is bad contracts and wage cuts, either youre jr's personal ball washer, and you want to defend his bad contracts, or youre working for some anti union special interest group.
 
This vote really comes down to the old timers who have great pensions, great pay and great home time and the newer employees (10 years or less) that have a substandard pension, low pay and little home time. VOTE NO!
 
UPSFreight said:
This vote really comes down to the old timers who have great pensions, great pay and great home time and the newer employees (10 years or less) that have a substandard pension, low pay and little home time. VOTE NO!
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The majority of the company is P&D drivers and Dock workers not Road drivers. That majority will come out next week and decide what our future will be.
 
BusterNite said:
The majority of the company is P&D drivers and Dock workers not Road drivers. That majority will come out next week and decide what our future will be.
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The vote will always be resolved by the majority. In this case it is just fifty percent, plus one vote. Every experienced negotiator on a contract is only looking to get just enough votes to pass the contract.
 
UPSFreight said:
This vote really comes down to the old timers who have great pensions, great pay and great home time and the newer employees (10 years or less) that have a substandard pension, low pay and little home time. VOTE NO!
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So its all about jealousy for you. For your information the only employees who took a pension hit were people like me. You had to make more than 73500(or close to it). To be grandfathered into the old pension. Any city driver or dockworker with 10-17 years in with the company lost an average of 400 per month under new plan. All with 10 or less lost nothing. I will have to work 4 extra years to make up the difference.
Your bitterness and jealousy are clear to see in your posts. That is why you want to close the company, so you can get back at those you are jealous of, sad.
 
Guess again. Plenty of people took a pension hit. It isn’t about getting even, it’s about getting it right. Do you even know the difference?
 
You come on here posting your labor posts all the time.

Your TDU has not made one peep since UPS effective effectively shut down the operation, which you TDU guys said would not happen.

You guys are as impotent as the Hoffa administration.
 
Reasonable said:
You come on here posting your labor posts all the time.

Your TDU has not made one peep since UPS effective effectively shut down the operation, which you TDU guys said would not happen.

You guys are as impotent as the Hoffa administration.
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No one wants to be held responsible for what "could" happen. I personally don't believe we will get closed down. But I see at least a 2 month strike and a very large layoff if we vote no. I'm voting yes like I did last time. I'm more concerned with insurance and a pension than the raises.
 
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