WHY HAVEN'T YOU?

Discussion in 'UPS Freight' started by Bubba Gump, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. Bubba Gump

    Bubba Gump Active Member

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    UPSfreight and reasonable are 180 degrees apart, yet they both accuse Hoffa of being in UPS's pocket. How strange is that? I have to assume neither one has any fingers, as they both have failed to call the NLRB and file charges against Hoffa. Are they both afraid the NLRB will laugh in their face. After all UPS Freight is the industry leader in pay and benefits. I personally think they are both TDU pukes, spreading it's all Hoffa's fault. Now that their grand plan for a strike has turned into a lock out. It sucks when the Golden Goose turns the tables on you, then again why is TDU trying to kill the Golden Goose. Must be a Socialist thing, read about it in the "Jacobin" .
     
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  2. Bubba Gump

    Bubba Gump Active Member

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    11,000 UPS freight Teamsters think Hoffa is on UPS's payroll. Not one of them has the balls to call the NLRB. They come to you, how lazy can you be.
     
  3. buffalobill

    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    why do you advocate for every giveback the union proposes? are you going to bid the 2nd tier at package, just to take one for the team?
     
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  4. Bubba Gump

    Bubba Gump Active Member

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    Your fixation on the 22.4 job classification is neurotic, you might want to seek help. Do you identify with the "buffalo bill" character in "silence of the lambs", just curious. As you know bill, a Saturday 22.4 driver will cover the geographic area of 5 or 6 Monday thru Friday routes, resulting in low delivery stop density. Coupled with the fact that they will be delivering low revenue/ profit parcels. We've heard Trump rail on Jeff Bezos, U.S. mail loses money on every Amazon pkg. delivered. With all of that being said, the 22.4 driver will still be making $34.79 by the end of contract. Not bad money for a second tier driver. Plus, all regular pkg car drivers will be promoted from within, no more 6 to 1. Another plus for part time advancement. I really don't know why you harp on this subject, it makes you look stupid.
     
  5. William at UPGF

    William at UPGF Active Member

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    I hate TDU and Hoffa. The Teamster have been weak under Hoffa and the only good thing about the TDU is the information they put out.
     
  6. Bubba Gump

    Bubba Gump Active Member

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    Hoffa's responsibility is to keep employers in business. Employers got the bill for the 100% government mandated increase in pension contributions over the last decade, plus the bill for exponentially rising health care premiums. Union employees haven't suffered because of these increases. It's our NON-UNION, BROTHERS and SISTERS who have gotten the short end of the stick at UPS. It's very rude and in poor taste to be asking for more.
     
  7. William at UPGF

    William at UPGF Active Member

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    I voted yes last time and the only thing I would have liked more is a 50 cents a year rasie. But the issue I have with the Teamsters is the BS they keep putting out. Tell me the bad along with the good and quit hiding stuff. The TDU is just as bad. But on the opposite side of it.
     
  8. wtfteamster

    wtfteamster Well-Known Member

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    Most freight Teamsters hate Hoffa. You can be pro Union and hate or at the least disagree with leadership.
    The hatred of Teamster leadership is solely the fault of membership because most could care less to vote in the election. That shouldn't release Hoffa from his responsibilities to the membership though because he works and is paid by the membership, not the company.
     
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  9. Reasonable

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    I have voted against Hoffa every election.
    I dont have the resources to prove in a law court that hoffa is in ups payroll. I wish i did, but any ounce of common sense say he is, actions are the evidence.
     
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  10. Homesick

    Homesick Do I really exist if you've never seen me?

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    court of law not law court, also his actions are called actus reus. If you would slow down, quit posting all the time, and stop trying to manipulate people so much you may learn something.
     
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  11. 6PakAbs

    6PakAbs Well-Known Member

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    Hey Bubba, Didn't you help ramrod the ABF contract down the throats of the old school folks...Leave this fight to UPS Freight.
    You already won yours...I am glad they have the "gumption" to stand up...you sure as H**l didn't !!!
     
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  12. 6PakAbs

    6PakAbs Well-Known Member

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    Bubba--stay out of their freight! You already wimped out once! How is your golf game with Judy doing?
     
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  13. Reasonable

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    Nlrb is not a court of law.

    The truth is not manipulation. Lies, and keeping people uninformed is manipulation.

    Fact- strike= no pay check, loss of medical, and standing outside in winter, striking a company that is closed.(there is no freight in the system.)
    You have not made one sensible argument for a strike. So what do you do, attack me.
    Because you hate the fact that I am informing people of the consequences of their actions. You want them to learn after the fact, so you can obtain your desired result.
     
  14. Homesick

    Homesick Do I really exist if you've never seen me?

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    I haven't made an argument of any kind because this is not my fight. I'm just trying to support those brothers and sisters whose fight it is. You push fear and call it informing people, I call it scare tactics; plain and simple. And just out of curiosity, how many times do you think you have to tell people your gloom and doom information before they have been informed?

    And NLRB has an administrative law judge (ALJ) for labor disputes (among other duties).
     
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  15. Reasonable

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    Oh I see another instigator sticking his nose in someone elses business.
    You are pushing for a strike, otherwise you wouldn't attack me, who is dead set against a destructive work stoppage.
    You are a fraud. Run rabbit, run, back to your hole.
     
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  16. buffalobill

    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    so, are you going to be a 22.4, yes or no??
     
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  17. buffalobill

    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    great ,a hoffa jr lackey that loves concessions, at least you're slowly admitting who you are...
     
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  18. Bubba Gump

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    The 22.4 jobs are for part timers to advance to a full time position, full timers can't bid to them. To tell you the truth bill, I have no intention to work more than 3 days a week, for the next 13 1/2 months. Except for Christmas of course, six days a week, got to make hay while the sun is shinning. My favorite day is black Friday, UPS holiday, scheduled day of work, work me 12 hr's at triple time. I was going to retire BRO, just couldn't say no to the $400 dollar a month pension boost on 1-1-2020. Have you seen the sun today?
     
  19. buffalobill

    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    nah, bro, look at the name. no sun here, 6inches of snow.

    huh, what a surprise, the 2nd tier doesnt affect you, so you're all for it. wonderful.
     
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