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I have often wondered what solutions should be considered in lieu of union representation. Since no one has been able to offer any. I'll assume there are none.
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I have often wondered what solutions should be considered in lieu of union representation. Since no one has been able to offer any. I'll assume there are none.
While I can see your point of view its really sad your willing to settle for no voice in your workplace. As a fellow driver you should be wishing them the best for a contract. XPO and other companies will only give the minimum to drivers any chance they get. These drivers standing for the best contract they can get only benefits everyone else.
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Well-said, ‘woodz!
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If that was the case it would’ve been done when Obamacare became law. Democrats push for corporations to provide insurance like teamcare.
Get your own authority.
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Obozocare was step one. The next step is Medicare for all is step two. Step two outlaws all other health insurance is except those that will meet strict govt regs. So vote like the union wants to and watch you health insurance plan be outlawed
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Medicare for all does NOT outlaw other health insurance. If you are wealthy, you can certainly purchase a health care plan from a private insurer and pay the cost out of pocket. You can do that even if you're not wealthy. If Medicare for all was ever approved, we wouldn't need another health care plan, we'd already have one. In fact, Medicare for all would save XPO about 500 million dollars a year and then we could bargain for more money in our paychecks.
He may have worded it in a way I would not have but he is referencing Serene Gene saying he would get back to my question about what should you do if you if you like your job and don't want to leave yet there are things that you think need improvement and no , you don't want to tell management/ownership how to run the company. And in a lot of cases people don't think the current form of union representation is the best choice.
So , you should not want a union. You are not supposed speak out unless anti-union people approve and if you do speak out you should leave.
There doesn't seem to be any room for people that may disagree or have a criticism of what upper management/ownership does. At some point , besides telling people to leave or be quiet ( and go along ) what are some ideas as to fixing issues?
My original reply to Serene Gene -
You have the right to go elsewhere is true but tired. You founded the company and put your neck on the line. True but tired.
At some point , when is it okay to look around and say "NO , I don't want to leave my job. YES , I would like to be paid more and have better benefits. NO , I don't want to tell the management how to run the company." Tired argument.
Is it ever okay to say that some things need improvement where you work without a bunch of company cheerleaders running out and kissing butt before you can get a word in edgewise?
If you've worked somewhere for decades , isn't it safe to say you have vested interest in that place? That you may have some idea of what works and what doesn't?
A lot of those that drive do it because it has a high pay to low bullsh!t ratio. Even though a LOT of drivers COULD EASILY go into management and figure out payroll or who to hire or any of the other mind numbing crap , THEY DON'T WANT TO.
Because someone chooses a particular profession should not disqualify them from being able to comment or speak out about what they see , ESPECIALLY if they deal with the business side of things (LTL)everyday.
Some fair points about UPS Freight.
To be fair though Old Dominion Freight boards has recent postings asking what happened to all of their freight and why are drivers not working like they were just a month ago.
No , it doesn't compare to being shut down and facing a strike , but my point is there is no perfect solution. Every now and then - as hard as it is for some to believe , XPO looks like the better choice.
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Health insurance is a card in your wallet a step above the card i put in the machine at the casino.healthcare is when you go to a medical facility and receive treatment
I’m sure Gene won’t mind answering the question posed to him. It should be easy for him to answer based on the knowledge he so readily displays in his rebuttals here to other people’s post.
We asked the same question to management and the persuader during the lead up to our election and the response was a stone cold nothing .
I can tell you we complain for years as our benefits were chipped away . At every meeting we spoke up and asked why and spoke our peace about it . It had no affect . This is what led to us choosing representation. Since then we have stopped the bleeding
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To the guys who jumped me about my UPS driver strike/lockout. I have no vested interest in the survival or death UPS freight, my comment comes from a purely business point of view.
Got it. Context helps. Thanks. It’s the new way of doing business. I get your point, but the fact remains, a union will not get back what you want. It’s a fact. Sorry. They didn’t get much for abf members, and the ups situation remains to be seen.
I would not say we got nothing, I wanted more but majority rules....
Fair enough. But therein lies the problem.
What's the problem? Members voted to accept. I am not happy how the union presented the contract & told us to vote yes. Their job is to get us the best contract possible & as of late they failed miserably....
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The ABF contract provides a compensation package to it's drivers in excess of 43.00 per hour. This calculation comes directly from the economist for the IBT. How can you say the Teamsters, or any other union, for that matter will not get you what you want? That really depends on what you expect from whatever company you work for. The unions cannot get what the company doesn't have to give. They cannot get 50.00 per hour plus benefits. They cannot set company policy. But based on the ABF and UPS contracts, it seems they can do infinitely better than non union companies.
As soon as I get permission, I will post the flyer that compares XPO's Cigna Plan with Team Care available to Teamster members. The difference in coverage is staggering. In addition, Team Care is a zero premium plan that would cost XPO only a few dollars more per employee. Ask your favorite XPO employee how much they pay in premiums, especially if they have a family. They have shown little interest in providing that plan to us. I'm sure you can guess why.
It's only half true to say the union won't get you what you want because it really depends on what you expect from your contract. It should be obvious that union drivers enjoy slightly better wages, infinitely better health care and a grievance and arbitration process that effectively mitigates "at will" employment. The argument that your dues are wasted money is a false narrative pushed out by management, union busters and employees who have failed to understand their own worth to the company. Sorry to disagree.
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We all want more, but do you think it may be fair to say that the union did the best it could under the circumstances. I don't really know the full circumstances, so I would value your opinion on this.
In my opinion they started negotiating way to late, almost felt like it was a dog & pony show. Then the frequent phone calls to vote yes.... the economy is booming & good drivers are hard to find, I just thought they could have done better....
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Why would they outlaw healthcare that keeps constituents from being dependent on the government?
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