XPO | Xpo Union Thread.

[upnorth]

So you consider a healthcare plan that won't cover you if you leave your home province acceptable? and waiting over a year for something as simple as an MRI acceptable?

It is what it is. There is no changing it. We kinda of have a two tier system now, if you with you can pay for an mri on your own if you don’t want to wait.

 

[XCCX]

I googled the wait for an MRI in Canada and this is what I came up with.

This means that, assuming that each person waits for only one procedure, 2.9% of Canadians are waiting for treatment in 2017. ... This year, Canadians could expect to wait 4.1 weeks for a computed tomography (CT) scan, 10.8 weeks for a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan, and 3.9 weeks for an ultrasound.Dec 7, 2017

I’m sure this Varies from place to place and how time critical your illness is. My Wife had an MRI (none critical) done a while back and I remember her waiting a month and half before she could get an appointment. At least Canada pays for MRI’s I’m hearing guys paying out of pocket in some circumstances because our insurance Denied it.

 

[XCCX]

It’s funny the basic of the affordable care act was a Republican plan proposed back in the 90’s . It’s only when Republicans feared that it would be a big political win for the Democrats that they turned on it and ran against it.

It’s seems the biggest problem people had against it was the mandate. It forced people who would otherwise be playing the system to buy into a plan. The thing is the mandate went right to the heart of fixing what was driving insurance cost up for all. Paying for the uninsured. Personal responsibility... hardly a socialist idea.
The insurance companies and private corporations who profited from what is 1/3 of our economy put out so much propaganda fighting AHA because it would hurt their profits. Many bought into the misleading info. Republican politicians capitalized on it and fueling the fire and confusing even more people.
I here people claiming that foreigners are driving the cost up but hate to tell you there are more US citizens that are uninsured than immigrants.

 

[upnorth]

It’s funny the basic of the affordable care act was a Republican plan proposed back in the 90’s . It’s only when Republicans feared that it would be a big political win for the Democrats that they turned on it and ran against it.

It’s seems the biggest problem people had against it was the mandate. It forced people who would otherwise be playing the system to buy into a plan. The thing is the mandate went right to the heart of fixing what was driving insurance cost up for all. Paying for the uninsured. Personal responsibility... hardly a socialist idea.
The insurance companies and private corporations who profited from what is 1/3 of our economy put out so much propaganda fighting AHA because it would hurt their profits. Many bought into the misleading info. Republican politicians capitalized on it and fueling the fire and confusing even more people.
I here people claiming that foreigners are driving the cost up but hate to tell you there are more US citizens that are uninsured than immigrants.

You also have to remember, our population is 36 million citizens with 1/2 million or so illegals and refugee claimants. The us has like 346 million citizens and who knows how many illegals. Quite a large difference.

 

[highspeeds]

Would you want any of the benefits that are offered in the LBFO? Are XPO'S pay and benefits better than what's on the table at UPSF? Do you believe XPO would offer any of the benefits that UPSF Teamsters have a vote on that currently aren't offered at XPO?

Of course there are things they have that I want. There are things they HAD that they STILL WANTED and DON'T HAVE any more.

These guys keep telling us that going union is the path to more. But the union guys keep taking less.

They say that if you stand for nothing that you will fall for anything. UPS just voted yes on the same exact contract that they voted down because the company closed shop and dared them to strike. What good is the " threat " of strike if the company isn't scared ? What good is solidarity if it means that you all do exactly as the company told you ?

What is the difference ??? That they got to vote yes or no ? We cast our vote when we clock in. First cold day of the year. Lost 7 dock hands. This ain't worth it for what they pay to be in those conditions. 7 men voted no. Eventually the disposable employee model will start closing businesses. And until it does, things won't change.

 

[highspeeds]

There's one thing that sticks out to me ... anti-union people can't say pro-union people are trying to run companies. In the examples you point to , the companies overwhelmingly rolled over the union representation.


In the UPS case the process is ongoing , but , can a reasonable person say the union has handled this well , and put it's membership in a strong position to bargain for what they want?

The union got played or paid. Not sure. The rank and file got scared and turned chicken. The company had the upper hand the entire time and didn't blink once.

 

[highspeeds]

Good luck trying to drag me down into the hole that you"re in. I find hurling insults especially demeaning to the one doing the hurling. That would be you. I refuse to speak to anyone in that manner, even those who deserve it. If I have failed, in your opinion, to address something honestly, let's try again. What issue is it which is causing difficulty for you? I will do my best to reply as honestly as humanly possible. I have put on my big boy pants and I'm ready. Let's try to be more specific, though. If you speak in generalities, I can only reply in kind.

No insults were used. You failed. Completely. You can still read my post and your responses. Amend what you feel has been misinterpreted. If you like. There is no point in me asking you again. You weren't capable of answering the first time. I don't expect that to have changed.

 

[highspeeds]

yeah I guess you would have to do a cost analysis and compare the higher taxes you pay vs what a family would pay in premiums ,copays and deductibles for a year with our plan. The other factor to be considered is how much of a tax increase you get annually vs our premiums which typically go up most years and coverage goes down.

Happy to see our yearly wage decrease was over looked. Health care was actually improved quite a bit. It's obviously not what it once was. But this is an amazing change of heart.

 

[icuicp]

The union got played or paid. Not sure. The rank and file got scared and turned chicken. The company had the upper hand the entire time and didn't blink once.

Across all possible platforms to protest or fight for change one thing remains the same ( government , unions , media , religion , etc...) control the money and you are in control.

In my opinion things won't change until the working class ( those on the bottom ) realize they are all in the same boat. Those on top have to realize they NEED the majority on the bottom to be happy, healthy , and fairly paid. If the wealthy and powerful want to continue they have to give up more than crumbs.

Not making a threat , just a prediction from observation: If you don't share peacefully , it will be taken violently.

 

[ED FORCE ONE]

Across all possible platforms to protest or fight for change one thing remains the same ( government , unions , media , religion , etc...) control the money and you are in control.

In my opinion things won't change until the working class ( those on the bottom ) realize they are all in the same boat. Those on top have to realize they NEED the majority on the bottom to be happy, healthy , and fairly paid. If the wealthy and powerful want to continue they have to give up more than crumbs.

Not making a threat , just a prediction from observation: If you don't share peacefully , it will be taken violently.

Henry ford had the right plan paid double what anyone else did

 

[sabresfan]

Of course there are things they have that I want. There are things they HAD that they STILL WANTED and DON'T HAVE any more.

These guys keep telling us that going union is the path to more. But the union guys keep taking less.

They say that if you stand for nothing that you will fall for anything. UPS just voted yes on the same exact contract that they voted down because the company closed shop and dared them to strike. What good is the " threat " of strike if the company isn't scared ? What good is solidarity if it means that you all do exactly as the company told you ?

What is the difference ??? That they got to vote yes or no ? We cast our vote when we clock in. First cold day of the year. Lost 7 dock hands. This ain't worth it for what they pay to be in those conditions. 7 men voted no. Eventually the disposable employee model will start closing businesses. And until it does, things won't change.

The difference is UPS and other union shops know what their benefits will be for the duration of the contract. Good old boy system has a check in place to keep things fair for everyone. Seniority is honored and if its not there's language in place to address it. Perhaps you and others don't find these things to be important but many people do after they finally get them. I'm not Teamster anymore but IAMAW. Some guys say our contract bites at Teamster companies but I can say our benefits are roughly 4k plus less a year than what FedEx has posted on their board right now for family insurance. The whole point is to keep things from getting so bad that people walking away in droves finally makes things better. Either way I appreciate your answer and point of view. Best of luck and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

 

[Hollywoodz]

These responses are pathetic. You should be ashamed. I implored you repeatedly in my post to speak to the masses and you still make it a personal battle. And didn't actually address anything, honestly. These are real issues. If you can't confront them. You will not convince anyone. You should ask upnorth to delete all three of these and go put your big boy pants on and try again. ou are acting like a 7th grader right now. It happens plenty. It's okay. Just own it. You'll be fine.

So, just for the record, this is insulting and demeaning language. It's pointless to deny it. We are discussing issues and you are hurling insults.

Your own posts indicate a high level of dissatisfaction from drivers and dockworkers. Your own post indicates you would like to have what UPSF has. Why, do you think, that UPSF has better compensation packages than we do? Do you think UPS decided on their own to be more generous than every other freight company? Or is it possible they were encouraged to offer these things as a result of contract negotiations with the union?

You made one accurate observation that the company had the upper hand and never blinked. The drivers got scared and blinked. I can't say that I blame them and I certainly will not argue with their decision. It was theirs to make and coupled with the fact that they are already one of the highest compensated companies in the industry. they chose the safe route. I may have done the same.

With respect to your comment that I am making this a personal battle, allow me to remind you that NONE of what I am fighting for will have any effect on me whatsoever. I'll be long gone, possibly even before the first contract is signed. So, one could say that all my efforts are made in the hopes that all the men and women I work with might enjoy the fruits of their labor instead of contributing to the obscenely excessive wealth of the elite members of the executive board.

When there are more men like me who understand the value they provide to these companies and choose to stand together for what is right and just, then you will see the benefits of strength in numbers and the effect it will have on any contract negotiations going forward.

This company's philosophy was and always will be divide, delay and conquer. As long as they have guys like you spouting the companies talking points and attempting to maintain the fear that exists in the hearts of working men, living from paycheck to paycheck, they will have the ability to drag this out indefinitely. There isn't one of them capable of doing what we do and they are quickly running out of new suckers to sit in our seats. If Mr. Jacobs has his way, those of you that remain will be sitting behind the wheel of a self driving vehicle, earning $10 an hour to monitor the on board systems.

Finally, one has to consider why the Teamsters chose to support the last, best and final offer from the company. It is likely that the Teamsters had reliable information that this was the best that they could do for the time being. The Teamsters may have determined that a strike was NOT in the best interests of the bargaining unit. The Teamsters may have felt that this was a battle that had to be conceded until the reinforcements arrive. With all that said, I applaud the union for keeping the best interests of their members front and center on this issue. Sometimes you concede the battle, lick your wounds and build support to prepare for the war ahead.

I hope this answers your questions!

 

[Hollywoodz]

Henry ford had the right plan paid double what anyone else did

Henry Ford understood that it was pointless to build cars that his employees couldn't afford to buy.

 

[Hollywoodz]

Across all possible platforms to protest or fight for change one thing remains the same ( government , unions , media , religion , etc...) control the money and you are in control.

In my opinion things won't change until the working class ( those on the bottom ) realize they are all in the same boat. Those on top have to realize they NEED the majority on the bottom to be happy, healthy , and fairly paid. If the wealthy and powerful want to continue they have to give up more than crumbs.

Not making a threat , just a prediction from observation: If you don't share peacefully , it will be taken violently.

And for that to happen, WE ALL MUST STAND TOGETHER! `

 

[ED FORCE ONE]

And for that to happen, WE ALL MUST STAND TOGETHER! `

Many people live check to check even missing 1 day messes them up so its difficult to stand together if there was stand together pay 2 million drivers would be on srtike and 1 year before a contract is up the union should take 100 bucks per check and put in an account so you have 5k and when contract is approved return the dough

 

[ED FORCE ONE]

Strike typed wrong

 

[Hollywoodz]

Many people live check to check even missing 1 day messes them up so its difficult to stand together if there was stand together pay 2 million drivers would be on srtike and 1 year before a contract is up the union should take 100 bucks per check and put in an account so you have 5k and when contract is approved return the dough

That would be one way to do it, but I would tell you and anyone else who would listen, that if we ALL stood together, there would NEVER be a need to strike. The simple threat of a strike would "encourage" the company do do what is necessary to keep us happy. Once again, I repeat that you can't get blood from a stone. No one is asking this company to give what it doesn't have to give. My goal is fair compensation based on the revenue we generate for these people.

 

[highspeeds]

Henry ford had the right plan paid double what anyone else did

Some people are capable of seeing beyond the business. When you get past worrying about what you are selling and get into worrying about who you are selling it to. That is when you really start making money.

 

[highspeeds]

The difference is UPS and other union shops know what their benefits will be for the duration of the contract. Good old boy system has a check in place to keep things fair for everyone. Seniority is honored and if its not there's language in place to address it. Perhaps you and others don't find these things to be important but many people do after they finally get them. I'm not Teamster anymore but IAMAW. Some guys say our contract bites at Teamster companies but I can say our benefits are roughly 4k plus less a year than what FedEx has posted on their board right now for family insurance. The whole point is to keep things from getting so bad that people walking away in droves finally makes things better. Either way I appreciate your answer and point of view. Best of luck and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

They have some piece of mind knowing when things will change. I agree. We don't know when we are going to have a good meeting or a bad meeting. It just happens. True point.

Seniority is mostly honored here. I only say mostly because people play games. If not for idiots, it would be always.

Back in the Con-way days this place was a revolving door. They would fire you for anything. Any more. They can't afford to fire people. You gotta force them to let you go. The massive turnover plus the complete inability to attract competent talent has them raising wages and health care. So far it's not been enough to keep people. But maybe eventually it will be. I doubt it. Since we got bought all they care about is anything else. The drivers come last.

I'm not a company stooge or a union preacher. Just a steering wheel holder with something to say. God bless you and your family.

 

[highspeeds]

So, just for the record, this is insulting and demeaning language. It's pointless to deny it. We are discussing issues and you are hurling insults.

Your own posts indicate a high level of dissatisfaction from drivers and dockworkers. Your own post indicates you would like to have what UPSF has. Why, do you think, that UPSF has better compensation packages than we do? Do you think UPS decided on their own to be more generous than every other freight company? Or is it possible they were encouraged to offer these things as a result of contract negotiations with the union?

You made one accurate observation that the company had the upper hand and never blinked. The drivers got scared and blinked. I can't say that I blame them and I certainly will not argue with their decision. It was theirs to make and coupled with the fact that they are already one of the highest compensated companies in the industry. they chose the safe route. I may have done the same.

With respect to your comment that I am making this a personal battle, allow me to remind you that NONE of what I am fighting for will have any effect on me whatsoever. I'll be long gone, possibly even before the first contract is signed. So, one could say that all my efforts are made in the hopes that all the men and women I work with might enjoy the fruits of their labor instead of contributing to the obscenely excessive wealth of the elite members of the executive board.

When there are more men like me who understand the value they provide to these companies and choose to stand together for what is right and just, then you will see the benefits of strength in numbers and the effect it will have on any contract negotiations going forward.

This company's philosophy was and always will be divide, delay and conquer. As long as they have guys like you spouting the companies talking points and attempting to maintain the fear that exists in the hearts of working men, living from paycheck to paycheck, they will have the ability to drag this out indefinitely. There isn't one of them capable of doing what we do and they are quickly running out of new suckers to sit in our seats. If Mr. Jacobs has his way, those of you that remain will be sitting behind the wheel of a self driving vehicle, earning $10 an hour to monitor the on board systems.

Finally, one has to consider why the Teamsters chose to support the last, best and final offer from the company. It is likely that the Teamsters had reliable information that this was the best that they could do for the time being. The Teamsters may have determined that a strike was NOT in the best interests of the bargaining unit. The Teamsters may have felt that this was a battle that had to be conceded until the reinforcements arrive. With all that said, I applaud the union for keeping the best interests of their members front and center on this issue. Sometimes you concede the battle, lick your wounds and build support to prepare for the war ahead.

I hope this answers your questions!

I probably shouldn't bother responding. Because you just don't get it. But I will try.

It's not an insult to disagree. It's not an insult to express displeasure. It's not an insult to say that you missed the point and completely ignored the point. Those are not insults. I didn't call you any names. Or cuss you out.

Yeah, people are unhappy. And then they quit. And then they call and tell us how happy they are now. And then more people quit. It's true. This is happening at XPO LTL.

At UPSF. The company forced the union in. They use the union as a means of control over the rank and file. And they offer the pay and benefits necessary to keep them the best available job in the industry to keep drivers in the seats. That company will chew you up and spit you out. They offer motivation to be there and want to stay there. It's how they are set up. It has nothing to do with negotiations. As you can see from their last negotiations. They offer what they intend to. If you don't want it. To bad.

You take everything personally. And over react to it. All the time. All the time. All the time.

I am not anything close to a company cheerleader. Your insistence that I am your enemy is misguided. I ask you simple questions and you run off in some ridiculous direction and then blame me for you being lost. I didn't do that. You did that. Self driving vehicles are being banned everywhere. And even if they get some approved for highway use in how ever many years. They will never replace a P&D driver. It's not going to back in off the street. It's not going to get out and hand unload. It's not going to pallet jack things to the tail. None of us are saying that. You are saying that.

What battle ? What war ? The union is disintegrating. It's disappearing. It's dying. They have no leverage. No strength. They don't stand strong. They don't stand together. None of the rhetoric is reality. None of it. UPS just proved it. That just happened. For real. It really happened.