You have to show ID before you can protest in anti voter ID protest

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  1. Ice Rider

    Ice Rider Well-Known Member

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  2. CCXdriver

    CCXdriver Well-Known Member

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    That's pretty funny, thanks for the laugh!

    But in reality, showing ID to attend a private event is not the same as restrictions being put on who can vote.

    For the record, I have no problem showing ID to vote, I've done so in three different states. But I also know there is not a voter fraud problem, in the sense that people are using fake identities to vote. It's a made up issue, with the goal of reducing the total amount of voters, with the assumption that most of the disenfranchised voters would have cast their ballot for Democrats.

    Anyway, like I said, thanks for the laugh!
     
  3. aflifer

    aflifer Well-Known Member

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    If it is such a made up issue, why would any voters whatsoever be disenfranchised?
     
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  4. Ice Rider

    Ice Rider Well-Known Member

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    Because confirming your ID to protest is so much more important then confirming your ID to vote for the people that will run our country. The NAACP should know who you are to walk in the street but the country should not know who you are to vote for our leaders. Kind of thinking that can make you an idiot
     
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  5. CCXdriver

    CCXdriver Well-Known Member

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    For one, I could easily any Hispanic voters being nervous about showing their ID's in the current climate, legal or not. Add in Muslim or Indian also.

    Second, minority voters are less likely to have licences than non-minorities, sure they can get a non-driver ID, but if they don't have one, there goes their right to vote.

    And thank you for your civil reply, it's a breath of fresh air!
     
  6. Ice Rider

    Ice Rider Well-Known Member

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    If you are here legally you have nothing to worry about, I have many close friends here in So Cal that are legal Mexicans and not one worry about showing ID for anything. That is a rediculous assertion. Many states offer free ID you can't buy alcohol without an ID you can't Rent-A-Car and you can't open a bank account. If you don't have an ID today you're probably living under a bridge and probably have no interest in voting anyway.
     
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  7. aflifer

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    I guess I would have issues with your insinuations.......what is different about the current climate versus the past 16 years for Muslims, other than press coverage of largely unsubstantiated claims and protests engaged in by people that for the most part are not in the "affected" groups?

    Why would a Hispanic-american citizen not proudly show an ID in order to vote?

    Wouldn't even non-drivers want to have the state issued ID to free themselves of the "fear" that those who are not part of their sub-class are proclaiming that they experience?

    If I gather correctly, you are basically making the argument that the inconvenience surrounding getting legal documentation of citizenship will chill these folks voting rights......I can't agree with that.....as citizens, we have many rights, but we also have many responsibilities as well.

    For example, I have the right to own a car......but also have the responsibility to license it if I want to drive it. Would it be a viable argument that the license requirement infringes on my rights to own a car, simply because the DMV is a PITA and the process discourages me from registering the vehicle?

    No thanks necessary on the civility, I generally provide it until a change is warranted. No problem taking it into the gutter if needed, but try not to be the one that takes it there.....those discussions normally don't accomplish a whole lot anyway.....
     
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  8. Ice Rider

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    "Current climate" Donald Trump has not passed one new law... he is simply enforcing laws that have been on the books for years.
     
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    Buying alcohol, renting a car, and opening a bank account are all personal choices, not exactly on the same level as being included in this countries election process.

    And I agree, Mexicans that are here legally should have nothing to worry about. I say that as a White man, who's right to be in this country has never been questioned. I would understand if there are some immigrants that have had different experiences.
     
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    Your right, voting is much more important and that is why we need to be sure you are allowed to vote.
     
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    Previous to 9/11, there wasn't much animosity towards Muslims. Since then, we have advanced to the point of many people wanting them expelled from the country.

    I would understand if a legal immigrant, not knowing much of the language, would hesitate to enter a Government building to have his identity verified. I wouldn't have a problem doing so myself of course, but I would "get it" if others did.

    I would guess many would.

    Very true, but why would we want to chill them, other than we don't like who they might vote for?


    No, because you don't have a right to own a car.

    How would you feel if you had to pay to vote, the same way you have to pay for car registrations, driving licenses, and insurance?

    :eagerness:
     
  12. aflifer

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    I disagree.....it may not of been as popular, but discrimination has to an extent always existed......remember the Libyans that shot Doc in Back to the Future, I believe that was made in 1985....I also believe there were plenty of terror attacks prior to 9/11 as well...

    The car deal was just an example.....but if you must have an "inalienable" right, what about bearing arms.....you know, the good 'ol 2nd amendment? To legally own a weapon, I must present an ID at purchase.......would be hard pressed to make a valid argument that any one right listed in the bill of rights is worth more or less scrutiny or protection than others....
     
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    We will have to add Liberal protests to the list of things that require an ID now.

    But of course, expecting someone to show their ID before they vote would be racist, bigoted, and down right disenfranchising. These people are unbelievable.
     
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    Voting in several different districts and dead people voting is considered voter fraud, and the reports are anywhere that you look. You might want to upgrade your news sources.

    Earlier this week, it was reported that one guy got busted for voter fraud and was sentenced to something like 30 days of community service. A slap on the wrist. That's why it keeps happening, because there is little to no punishment for it. But you are ill-informed if you actually believe that it doesn't exist by the millions.
     
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    And if there isn't any fraud, why would the Dems be so against showing ID's to vote? They know that there is rampant fraud, that's why.
     
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    So they have no problems coming in and out of the country, but should be nervous about voting? That makes no sense.
    And there isn't a single person that should fear walking around on our streets, as long as they can show an ID. If you are a criminal or illegal, yep, you might want to take off running.
     
  17. Ice Rider

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    If you believe as I do that voting is more important than any of these things then showing ID is the logical thing, by voting we empower people to make laws that govern us and vote for those who can take us to war...or not. It is incumbent upon us to make sure that those casting votes for people put into positions of power in our country have the right to do so.

    You don’t need a photo ID to vote, but you do need one to buy alcohol and cigarettes.

    Despite what the left has said in the debate over Voter ID laws, it’s pretty clear that you need a photo ID to do pretty much anything, and The Washington Examiner has put together a long list.

    You need one to open a bank account, or to apply for a job to fill that bank account.

    You also need an ID to file for unemployment, and to apply for welfare, and Medicaid, and food stamps.

    You need a photo ID to apply for Social Security

    And to buy a home, and apply for a mortgage, or to rent a home.

    You need a photo ID to drive a car, you need one to buy a new car, to buy a used car, heck, you even need one to rent a car.

    You need a photo ID to get on an airplane, and you need one to get married, and you need one to check into a hotel room for your honeymoon.

    You need a photo ID to buy a gun, and to apply for a hunting license and a fishing license, and even to adopt a pet.

    You need a photo ID to pick up a prescription, you need one to buy certain kinds of cold medicine, and you need one to donate blood.

    You need a photo ID to enter a casino, and you need one to buy lottery tickets.

    You need one to buy a video game that’s rated M for Mature, and you need one to see a movie rated NC-17.

    You need a photo ID to buy a cell phone and apply for a coverage plan and, in perhaps the greatest irony of the entire Voter ID debate, you need a photo ID to hold a rally or protest, such as a rally or protest against requiring a photo ID to vote.



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    So tell us.
    If you are a legal citizen, not a criminal, and you belong here, why would you fear the police or fear showing your ID?
     
  19. Ice Rider

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    And I don't even worry about walking around without ID, I know my drivers license number and my birthday, I have been stopped twice and not had ID on me and I give them my drivers license number my birthdate and they run it...no problem, but then again I am legal.
     
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    I have met my share of Asian Indians and they, of all immigrants, are as legal as they can get. They are friendly, happy, productive and are not afraid to show their credentials. Neither should any other immigrants be. I was always under the impression that once we were adults we were required to produce ID if we were out in public and any law man requested it. To not have it is ridiculous and I even have mine on me if I just go around the block for a walk or a bike ride in case the authorities needs to contact my wife and tell her that I have died or gotten seriously injured. If they start right now by next election of any sort they should have valid ID.
     

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