Your Supplement will Seal the Deal!

Discussion in 'UPS Freight' started by NiKDiesel, Mar 30, 2008.

  1. NiKDiesel

    NiKDiesel Member

    Messages:
    850
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    All of you considering a "No Vote"... Forget about it!
    _________________________________

    We're stuck with the medical "as is"...

    We can't even negotiate a different medical plan through local intervention...

    Negotiating power regarding receiving a better medical plan will not be achieved until the expiration of this contract in 2013...
    _________________________________

    You will have an opportunity to address all concerns regarding interpretation of the language of the tentative agreement in your meetings...

    (start printing out some of this subject matter imbedded throughout this message board... print out a copy of the contract and highlight area's of concern... walk into these meeting prepared to talk...

    You will receive re-assuring understanding of how, when and where language that is written is applied... If you ask enough questions)
    __________________________________

    The ever so prevalent holes throughout the contract will be filled by your negotiated supplements!

    These supplements will contain language regarding "Past Practice" benefits that you have grown accustom to, enjoyed and or agreed upon in the past...

    (you will need to start compiling a list of past practice items so that you can get that information into supplement form...)

    __________________________________


    Line Haul… “No” more point system for D&H’s and Fueling…

    It’s as simple as this:

    If your bid reads that your start time is 20:00 then you punch in at 20:00 (if your cut time is 20:00 then your bid needs to reflect time needed allowing you to pre-trip, hook and prepare for departure by 20:00) then you punch out when your ready to depart the terminal… reverting you back to mileage…
     
  2. scooter824

    scooter824 Member

    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    since you gave the great suggestion of printing some of this out to take to "our" meetings. Here's one:

    What happens when they so NO to our supplements/work rules....what action can we/you take when this happens......Here's your answer....nothing, there's no/nothing that can be done unless they just agree to let it happen...good luck with that.
     
  3. NiKDiesel

    NiKDiesel Member

    Messages:
    850
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16

    Going in with a negative attitude will only prove counterproductive...

    Walking in prepared to addressed your concerns will bring you ultimately to the same conclusion...

    "Thank-you" for answering that last question for me...

    Only problem is... "I" wouldn't have answered it that way... :1036316054:
     
  4. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

    Messages:
    5,705
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I holeheartedly agree.........:1036316054:
     
  5. scooter824

    scooter824 Member

    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16

    Man, have you guys got me wrong. I spent 4.5 hours w/our new B.A going over contract and only got half way through it on friday.....going back again this week. I'm really trying to be "for" it. I've spent last year being the for it guy....just being open minded and want to prepare you for some of the stuff your going to hear. I asked that question and that's the answer I got.

    I'm for it for the most important article in the entire contract for us....our state...be a work at "will" state. Meaning the can fire you for no reason at all.

    ARTICLE 6, SECTION 1. JUST CAUSE..
    Employees shall not be disciplined, suspended or DISCHARGED except for just cause. Except for offenses of extreme seriousness, employees shall be subject to progressive discipline.....

    right now you walk across our lot without a safety vest on you can be fired, period, end of story. Or anything for that matter.
     
  6. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

    Messages:
    5,705
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I am not disagreeing with you, I am actually saying going in with a closed mind will get you punished. We did. And as you said , hopefully things will get better in 5 years, but this statement is nothing more then the beginning of the buyout when everyone was waiting for the silver platter.

    They will work around you until they get what they want. UPS wants this in a bad way. I too find excellent wrighting in this contract in referrance to protections, and in NH we too can be fired for nothing so this I am in agreement.

    But no one will strong arm the union they have all of thier eggs in one basket.
     
  7. UPSFreightMan

    UPSFreightMan Member

    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Yes and that basket belongs to UPS:biglaugh:
     
  8. Overnite

    Overnite Active Member

    Messages:
    2,783
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    38

    Glad you brought that up, who defines what is extreme? My bet is the rule book will define it.
     
  9. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

    Messages:
    5,705
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I agree..................:1036316054::biglaugh:
     
  10. Kennesaw Kid

    Kennesaw Kid Super Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    5,252
    Likes Received:
    2,295
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But what happens if they say YES?....KK
    Do look at this glass as half full....or half empty?....KK
     
  11. accelerator

    accelerator Active Member

    Messages:
    5,705
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Only on past practices if it's better then what was negotiated. Straight from the hall.
     
  12. Overnite

    Overnite Active Member

    Messages:
    2,783
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    38
    the maintinance of standard article says "subject to the provisions of this Agreement" which means if the contract covers somthing it overides the maintinance of standards article.

    Also the maintinance of standards only pertains to wages, hours of work, overtime differentials and general working conditions.

    Not Rules.
     
  13. scooter824

    scooter824 Member

    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    I asked that exact thing...was told it would have to be "tried" to be defined in the work rules.
     
  14. scooter824

    scooter824 Member

    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16

    KK...I hope they say yes to it all.
     
  15. scooter824

    scooter824 Member

    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16

    KK..you being with the union, with experience and all, let me pose the question to you....

    What if they don't agree to the requested supplements or work rules you'd like added...what course of action does the union have? if any?
     
  16. scooter824

    scooter824 Member

    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    was also told case law...history. But problem with that is we as UPS Freight under first time contract (if that happens) don't have any case history and that's why it's going to be important to get extreme seriousness defined....

    according to what I saw, 6 file drawers full of UPS terminations..."they claim everything is extreme"
     
  17. scooter824

    scooter824 Member

    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16

    Oh yeah that was in a five year period also....amazing:shock:
     
  18. Overnite

    Overnite Active Member

    Messages:
    2,783
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    38
    no it is not amazing, everything is preventable according to ups.

    They fire drivers when they get hit by another vehicle.
     
  19. NiKDiesel

    NiKDiesel Member

    Messages:
    850
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16

    We here in the Northeast have it good when comparing us and a "Right to Work" state... such is the case for Scooter824

    We will "Not" be "Fired" (especially for "Nothing")

    I realize that to be a pretty bold statement...

    but, if we do not violate or break a rule of "Extreme Seriousness" (I like NMFA wording: "Cardinal Sin") then the likelihood of us being fired is pretty slim...

    From what I understand (and I have limited knowledge of the comparison) there really is no comparison between a "Right to Work" state and a state that allows "Recognition of a Union Shop"

    I can see a distinct possibility of minor infractions turning for the worst in a R2W state...

    Scooter824... You must have your hands full!

    Good Luck!
     
  20. teamster elvis

    teamster elvis Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,433
    Likes Received:
    233
    Trophy Points:
    63
    WTF are you talking about????? Elvis out...
     

Share This Page