Holland | YRC The Cancer Of The Trucking Industry

:6788:Very Well said Henry and prolly Cayman Island banks is one place money is going ? and WHY can't union figure this out ??
How about - Don't want to figure it out. The "trail of crumbs" may lead right back to Hoffa and his cronies.
3 billion don't buy too much these days.

As Everett Dirkson once said ; "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about REAL money"
 
The company isnt doing well, there is no hidden 3 billion. This job isnt complicated, the new guys arent doing half the work..infact its the old crew that you see taking 3-4x the breaks and standing around for hours at a time..more power to them,they get away with it, theyve probably "earned it"..but its not the new guys that aren't producing,i know if im not working its going to show and ill be down the road at a new job.
 
I respect your opinion Henry,but you do realize that prior to the economy crash in 07-08, before yellow and roadway were combined, each company was still moving roughly 70,000 bills per day. Then after they combined the 2, and lost customers freight for like 3 weeks,then tried the failed velocity system, they then lost over half their total bills per day,along with all that revenue. YRC now,moves barely 40,000 bills per day,almost 3/4 less tonnage and revenue since 2009. I did not look up the regionals daily bill count since then, but I really have to ask you guys. Do you honestly believe that this corporation is holding 15 percent pay,and 75 percent of the pension money somewhere? This corporation is broke. Comp claims,damaged freight claims, repairs on aging equipment ,operating an out of date breakbulk system, decisions made by incompetent management, anti competitive work rules, paying roughly 40 million a year on the standing debt, all,will be what finally puts this thing in the ground...
Don't forget about real estate. Yrc leases terminals; some of them owned by sefl and others. Leasing means you never pay off part of your capital/infrastructure. The competition owns its real estate free and clear
 
Don't forget about real estate. Yrc leases terminals; some of them owned by sefl and others. Leasing means you never pay off part of your capital/infrastructure. The competition owns its real estate free and clear
We lease some from the competition as well if I remember right.
 
The company isnt doing well, there is no hidden 3 billion. This job isnt complicated, the new guys arent doing half the work..infact its the old crew that you see taking 3-4x the breaks and standing around for hours at a time..more power to them,they get away with it, theyve probably "earned it"..but its not the new guys that aren't producing,i know if im not working its going to show and ill be down the road at a new job.
Best you start looking now. If there's no hidden $2.16 billion (even more if you figure in the CSPF payments no longer made), these money managers and company execs are the worst ever to try to run a company. If it's true that many people are just standing around with nothing to do - why aren't some people laid off? Unfortunately for you, the "last hired - first fired" (by"fired"), I mean laid off, not necessarily "permanently canned"- big difference. That job is management, or lack of it, to adjust the work force to match the work to be done. YRC knows they are having real problems just finding and hiring people now that their reputation and pay is at rock bottom. If they lay off the bottom of the list (as they should) when business is slow, they KNOW they'll not get those people back, so it's a real conundrum for them pay some for doing nothing or let some go now during a slow period, knowing they won't be back when you need them. That's what happens when a company gets a BAD reputation among both customers and the work force. YRC management has dug the hole and now the blue collar employees are feeling the pain.
Nobody's "earned it" when the work's not there to do. If the work's there and there's no dock foreman supervising or is afraid to tell the "old crew" to do the work, then it's time for a change in management. A dock foreman that's afraid to "lean on" some dockman, no matter his seniority is not doing HIS job. Refusing to do a work assignment is cause for dismissal.
Being a "new guy" in a union shop (I've been there, done that more than a couple times), you are doing the right thing by keeping busy. Keep moving. Sweep floors, re-stack pallets, sweep out trailers, empty garbage cans - anything to keep looking busy. The dock foreman is looking at you. Don't worry about the others. It may not seem right to you (and it probably isn't) but it's YOU you have to worry about. Some of the "old crew" may call it "brown nosing" but screw them. If a lay off comes it'l be you that gets laid off, not them, so keep busy doing menial unassigned work. If nothing else, it makes the time go by faster.
 
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Don't forget about real estate. Yrc leases terminals; some of them owned by sefl and others. Leasing means you never pay off part of your capital/infrastructure. The competition owns its real estate free and clear
Yes, and leased equip and facilities can't be part of the liquidation money to pay owed money to former employees and vendors in a bankruptcy court case. I went through that couple times. A year or so before the pre-planned bankruptcy, the company starting selling equipment and terminals to a leasing company, then leasing back the same stuff from the same leasing company in order to keep it out of the hands of the courts. The cash money disappeared mysteriously.
 
Do you guys know where else these crooked bastards are saving money? Unemployment payments. Yep. That's right, they aren't paying their unemployment payments each month either. When I left, I tried to draw unemployment while my business got rolling, which the State of Michigan told me that I WOULD be eligible for. While fighting YRCW/Holland through the court system, it was determined that YRCW hadn't even been paying their payments for us to receive benefits if we were to be laid off. That was about six years ago. But I would be willing to bet that they are still skipping payments.
 
The 32,000 number confused me. I only remember the number of employees be at 28,000 or so. I'm surprised if the number has grown.
I know. I've heard both 32,000 and 26,000. That's why, in my post, I did the math using BOTH 32,000 and 26,000 in post #55. Look back and you can see break-down of both. Your number of 28,000 employees would be somewhere halfway between the two totals I came up with of
$2.16 billion and $2.62 billion. Either way - that's a hellavalotta money that just can't be accounted for. Since their huge team of professional bookkeepers are busy every day shuffling the numbers, the truth most probably will never come out. The books are being cooked every day.
The figures I used of employee numbers (26,000 and 32,000) are not exact of course, but numbers I got from two different sources. that may be pretty close. One may be counting ALL employees, while the other may be counting just Teamster members. The weekly giveback per employee amount of $200 is just an average - some are giving more, some less.
 
Do you guys know where else these crooked bastards are saving money? Unemployment payments. Yep. That's right, they aren't paying their unemployment payments each month either. When I left, I tried to draw unemployment while my business got rolling, which the State of Michigan told me that I WOULD be eligible for. While fighting YRCW/Holland through the court system, it was determined that YRCW hadn't even been paying their payments for us to receive benefits if we were to be laid off. That was about six years ago. But I would be willing to bet that they are still skipping payments.
You quit Holland and are eligible for unemployment???
 
I know. I've heard both 32,000 and 26,000. That's why, in my post, I did the math using BOTH 32,000 and 26,000 in post #55. Look back and you can see break-down of both. Your number of 28,000 employees would be somewhere halfway between the two totals I came up with of
$2.16 billion and $2.62 billion. Either way - that's a hellavalotta money that just can't be accounted for. Since their huge team of professional bookkeepers are busy every day shuffling the numbers, the truth most probably will never come out. The books are being cooked every day.
The figures I used of employee numbers (26,000 and 32,000) are not exact of course, but numbers I got from two different sources. that may be pretty close. One may be counting ALL employees, while the other may be counting just Teamster members. The weekly giveback per employee amount of $200 is just an average - some are giving more, some less.
I did some research on these Cayman Banks, and there is basically no limit to how much cash you can hold in these off shore accounts. The one that really caught my eye was a division of Barkley's Cayman National that has a YRC employee as one of its directors. A guy named Elwood? Not sure if that's his first, or last name though...
 
YRC The Cancer Of The Trucking Industry



There comes a point that you have to stop worrying that you will be persecuted for speaking the truth, and that point has arrived. For way to long those that not only work for this corporation, but also those who are in the industry in one form or another understand that the YRC Corporation has evolved into a cancer in the trucking industry. Today the question really is should it be allowed to be euthanized, or should it mercifully be allowed to die on its own?



The cancer that started out as a simple tumor has been allowed to grow into stage four proportions. In the quest to dominate the LTL marketplace Yellow Trucking embarked upon the strategy of acquiring competing companies and running them into the ground. Long before they bought Roadway and USF they acquired and destroyed perfectly good companies. They overextended themselves when they took out loans to buy both Roadway and then USF. In the ensuing years all they have done is mismanage and dismantle companies that once were the leaders in the industry.



While competing companies have bounced back for the most part from the downturn in the economy, YRC and its sister companies continue to demand give backs and sacrifices from its employees. Even when a small profit is shown from time to time and large corporate payouts to executive officers, the rank and file employees suffer with stagnant wages and retirement contributions.



The sacrifices that the rank and file employees have gone in vane when you examine it with open and honest eyes. Since January, 2009 each hourly employee who has taken a 15% wage cut has given back to the company roughly $93,500 out of their pocket to keep this disease afloat. With an average of $11,500 dollars on the low side in wage give backs yearly one would assume that the sacrifice was being put to good use, but sadly we see that it has not. The wages alone were not the only sacrifice or overall monetary giveback. With the pension freeze that occurred and the vacation giveback the company reaped in millions of dollars annually in reductions of overhead costs.



Monetary sacrifices were not the only thing that occurred as a result of the spread of this cancer, The reputation of these once great companies suffered in the ensuing years as well, not only to the customers, but throughout the industry to fellow drivers and workers in the industry. At one time fellow drivers looked to companies like Yellow, Roadway, and Holland as the pinnacle point to strive for in a driving career. While we may never have driven the most pretty trucks or had the newest equipment on the road, we did lead the industry in wages and benefits. We set the bar for other companies in these regards, while today for like sized companies we are at the bottom in regards to wages and retirement.



When once it was difficult to be hired on to these companies without years of experience, today the scramble to bring in drivers with little to no experience is in full swing. Without a doubt the industry as a whole is suffering from a lack of drivers, especially experienced qualified drivers. It only highlights the fact that where once Yellow, Roadway, Holland, and the other companies under the YRC umbrella would be able to attract those in this industry even in circumstances such as a driver shortage. The reputation of this corporation has suffered so bad that even experienced non-union drivers whisper and in many cases feel pity towards those at YRC and its sister companies. Drivers hear it on the streets everyday whether they are honest to admit it or not.



Like anyone suffering from a disease moral and personal circumstances are tested and in many cases suffer. The overall moral of rank and file employees is an all time low, those who have been around prior to the 2009 MOU understand just what has been given away. They understand or they should understand that they will never get back what they gave up. The 2014 MOU was a clear indication that the eventual death spiral of this company was only a matter of time. Even with all the sacrifices, corporate continued to follow a failing business plan. As a result of over extending and purchasing of companies that they in all rights had no right to purchase they dug a hole that cannot be filled no matter how much the rank and file employees sacrifice.



When you go back to all the sacrifices that the rank and file employees have given for this cancer of the trucking industry the unmentioned sacrifice that those who run it do not see or understand the real personal cases. While rank and file employees suffered through loss of homes and marriages, bankruptcies, injuries, and a diminished outlook to retirement corporate officers and management made bank. They took home multi million dollar bonuses and continue to do so even as the company flounders like a fish out of water.



It is easy to begrudge the executive officers for taking these huge bonuses when the rank and file as well as the company as a whole suffers, but they are just abiding by the agreement and contracts that they negotiated. What many in the family of YRC fail to do is hold those who allowed the negotiations for what the rank and file received and have to live under. It was originally done in good faith that we would only have to sacrifice till 2015, then it was extended in 2014 with the MOU till 2019 and the question there is for what!



Did we see any improvement in the operating of this company?



Did we see a flood of new equipment roll into our terminals?



Did we see the existing equipment be properly maintained?



Do we honestly think that we will return to industry standard in wages and retirement in 2019?



I would have to argue no to all the above!



The cancer has embedded so deep that once great companies that are now under the umbrella of YRC who attracted the best are now left scrambling to just fill the roster. After years of using outside cartage at the expense of millions of dollars a day, we are now really witnessing just how poorly our sacrifices have been wasted. It is of no wonder that moral throughout the YRC family is at an all time low! The rank and file put up with many things over the last eight years from seeing ,”Do not ship on YRC” on bills at shippers, to personal financial hardships.



Without doubt we all had choices, that is not in question one bit. Today, just as when this cancer first started to go terminal we have a choice. Will we choose to continue to put off the inevitable by agreeing in the upcoming contract to keep sacrificing without holding those in charge both Corporate and Union accountable, or will we demand and possibly push for a final treatment one way or another and return to standards becoming of a company of this size?



For so many the choice to remain in the family of YRC was due to years of service and years in the Union. The most difficult thing in life sometimes is change and we are not willing to change the page and embark on a new chapter. We examine the pro’s and con’s of doing so in deep regard even allowing small nuggets of pro’s to outweigh all of the negatives. YRC so far has allowed just enough of those small nuggets to dangle in front of us with the insurance offered and the hope that the rank and file will get a portion of what they gave up back in the coming years.



If they come out with the proposal to give us a portion back wage wise, but ask for equal contribution to health and welfare then it is obvious that the gig is up for this place and that the cancer has fully overtaken the system to the point of no return.



At some point in the coming days we will all have to make the choice. Do we allow it to die on its own, or do we gracefully euthanize it and change the page and start new chapters. One thing is for certain freight will still need to be moved, and with a lack of experienced drivers in the industry there will not be difficult to continue on the career path as a driver. In most cases you just may get the raise you deserve.
 
I suggest that you go back and read post # 1 again. especially paragraph 4. Do the math as to just how much money has already been "given" to Holland's parent company YRC in exchange for paper that's worth practically zero since Jan 2009. The huge amount of money given back has not resulted in much of anything except to keep the patient "YRC" alive on life support in order to keep the big money flowing to the top execs at YRC for their high salaries and huge retirement packages and bonuses - while the employees wages and benefits are going the other way. You say the employees are "milking the clock" and not doing what they are paid to do simply because they are union members. With some, that may be true, but you have to look at the reason why. **** poor morale. **** poor management from the terminal level all the way to the top. Leadership is supposed to set an example to follow. There is no leadership at YRC and never was even when it was still Yellow Freight. I worked at Yellow Freight back in the 80's before coming to TNT Holland. The morale was worse than bad then. Everybody seemed to hate everybody else. When I went out on city peddle routes, all I heard from customers was complaints about poor service and damaged freight and nobody doing anything about it. The morale sucked then and it still sucks now. The only thing that changed is that now, since 2005, Yellow (YRC) has completely taken a formerly great company down to their level. The older guys that were at Holland prior to the Yellow 2005 takeover see it and don't like it. Therefore, now morale sucks at Holland, too.
Great Post Brother!

I often heard how the higher seniority drivers "just wanted to squeak out a few more years to get full retirement". Then, those senior drivers finally got those "few more years" and disappeared into retirement. But at that same time, there was an entirely new group that were within a few years of retirement, and "just wanted to squeak out a few more years to get full retirement". And the cycle of "yes" votes has continued ever since the first givebacks.

I understand that everyone has their own personal reasons for wanting to hang on to that single thread of hope, but the cycle of those who feel obligated to vote yes for their own personal reasons will never end. And in my opinion, because of the black cloud that has hung over the company for the past decade, most of those who have already retired are happy about their decision, but for those left working, they wish that the cancer had become terminal a decade ago, and put them out of their misery, and by now they would have 10 years in at another company.

The Company realizes that this cycle of yes voters will never end, so they are going to continue to take full advantage of future contracts that will be loaded with more concessions.
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Pensions funds going broke and lowest paid LTL Driver's , is it time to do a DECERTIFICATION VOTE !!! really WHY are we paying DUE'S any more ??
 
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