Hm issues

[cch6874]

Have a question?Let's say you are on a meet and turn, in the middle of nowhere.You have MANY instances where the HM PAPERWORK was wrong, missing,or no placarded.Well one day I get a set with no HM papwerwork.CLC ask me to drive to nearest truck stop to get paperwork faxed.K told them the next time it happened, I was going to sit there until the paperwork was brought to me.Well the very next day I was brought a set that required UN #.Well three sides were right but the fourth side the numbers were just stuck to the trailer, no orange rectangle. So I sit until it was brought to me.Now I'm the bad guy because the driver got in trouble. I just don't get it if 3 sides have correct markings, you would think they would know the 4 th side needed it to.

[Chevy silverado]

Nothing new. Good luck on that driver not checking his paperwork.

[Matt]

Do not feel bad because the other guy is screwing you. If you get into trouble with the DOT because of his laziness and or ignorance
will he be upset or think of your feelings.
I bet not.
If he does his job I bet he will have better days. Not your fault. Thank you for being professional !

[silent trucker]

The down side to a meet and turn is if you get a driver who doesn't care or know. Had 1 bring me a trailer with 3 sides placarded with numbers in the placards, fourth side missing. He asked if that was a problem. He geniunely didn't know.

ST

[Misfit]

I carry extra placards and extra orange panels. (that's if you drive the same unit) I also have a bingo sized, permanent black marker. I always bring an extra placard to give to the next driver. You also can get away with placarding a unit with the hazard class on a bill if you are not sure, it's a term I can't remember, where it allows you to put placard on as long as it is stated on your bill.(permissive placarding rule?) Do not put the self sticking placards in the sleeve on the trailers, they are only for cardboard/ plastic placards. If caught, and the DOT wants to pursue it, they will ticket you, against your CVSA. The placard must be stuck on and only cardboard/plastic in the sleeves. You cannot use tape- anymore. (for applying plastic/cardboard placards) They state it will cause the placard to tear and blow in the wind, eventually falling off, which is not allowed. Our terminal has ordered alot of cardboard ones.

As for being the bad guy, if you were to pull it- you would be fined- he was just not caught, or luckily involved in an accident. I'm sure they could put you out of service until someone brought you the proper papers, since you CANNOT drive a unit without them. If you were to remove the placards, and an accident happened, you would be taking your hours in a cell and calling home for some money. An accident can occur anywhere, likely not- but if someone were to hit you or you made contact with something, good luck explaining it. I'm not sure you are required to have someone get the proper placards for you. If you have the paperwork and are not sure, dangerous would be my safest bet, until I could get to a place to acquire some. And for the UN numbers hap-hazardly placed on the trailer, how would the DOT know it was not a trailer number? It has to be on the right sized orange label and I'm sure they would measure, or on the appropriate placard. Never pull the trailer without the paperwork- if you are involved in an accident, you have to prove that there is no hazmat on it. Your word is not good enough. If able, have them faxed, or brought to you by someone. You could easily get in an accident pulling out of the lot - to get the fax @ placards.

You can be replaced easily here, getting another job- that's another story. Know the rules, that's your responsibility.

[Matt]

It's called
Permissive placarding

[Richard Cranium]

Has anyone tried "he brought me this mess, let him pull it through?"

BTW my safety guy said that now everyone that handled back to origin is getting disciplined.

[roogie]

Has anyone tried "he brought me this mess, let him pull it through?"

BTW my safety guy said that now everyone that handled back to origin is getting disciplined.

I've done it before, had to argue for it but it wasn't a HazMat issue it was equipment defect related.

roog

[chitownpeddler]

As long as he made his gate it's all good! We had a pup with mini bulk totes of flamable flavoring come in with no placards. Like 10,000lbs worth. Our dock supervisor just shook his head when I pointed it out

[Twice Pipes]

Your not the bad guy, your the professional. You should also be paid for the delay time.