Rappelling Teamsters...

[imported_just asking]

The negotiating committee may, with the approval of the
General Executive Board, authorize a strike of such
employer’s involved employees to maintain existing
standards, attain approved standards, or to protest unfair
labor practices of such employer, without any additional
vote. Does this explain better why there was no vote.

You might want to read a little further up the Constitution, Section 2(a) If a majority of the affiliated Local
Unions vote to participate in area, multi-area, national,
multi-employer, company-wide, or industry-wide negotiations
for an area, multi-area, national, multi-employer,
company-wide, or industry-wide agreement (hereinafter
“master agreement”), all involved affiliated Local Unions
shall comprise a multi-union unit, be bound by such vote,
must participate in such master agreement bargaining and
shall be bound by the agreement approved as provided
below. Upon completion of negotiations by any committee
designated as hereinafter set forth to engage in negotiations
of a master agreement, such agreement shall besubmitted to the membership involved in such negotiationsfor their approval or rejection as the final offer in
accordance with Section 2(d) herein.

It is AFTER this vote that you can strike, ULP or economic. If the members reject the contract, THEN you can strike "without any additional vote".

Section 1(a). When any difficulty or dispute arises
between the members of any Local Union and their
employers, it shall be the duty of the officers of such Local Union to use every possible means of achieving a settlement or resolution of the difficulty or dispute through the processes of collective bargaining.

My take on this is that either 28 or 174 wanted to show IBT that they have so much power to bring down a company at their will. They weren't as prepared as OHFL to carry on the strike and now they have painted themselves into a corner and hope that one of the ULP stick because if it doesn't, they will need to explain to IBT why and what they did but the biggest injustice is against the members. They were used as pawns in this game and they are the ones that will lose BIG. OHFL will go on, smaller, bigger, whatever, but they will go on, union admins and BA will, hopefully, still have jobs making $80k to $110k a year but the members will have lost their jobs. All because someone had an ego that needed nurturing.

[Fthemwithasmile]

I believe TWT sends an invoice to companys and they pay off of that invoice. Did TWT send an invoice to OHFL?

The company sent letters to all of the trusts terminating the subscription agreements. The company has done nothing to help it's long term retirees or it's current employees. They threatened, lied, changed working conditions, polled the employees, created committees to resolve grievances and the list goes on. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

If you are not management and continue to ask questions that are misleading you should be ashamed.

[Fthemwithasmile]

You might want to read a little further up the Constitution, Section 2(a) If a majority of the affiliated Local
Unions vote to participate in area, multi-area, national,
multi-employer, company-wide, or industry-wide negotiations
for an area, multi-area, national, multi-employer,
company-wide, or industry-wide agreement (hereinafter
“master agreement”), all involved affiliated Local Unions
shall comprise a multi-union unit, be bound by such vote,
must participate in such master agreement bargaining and
shall be bound by the agreement approved as provided
below. Upon completion of negotiations by any committee
designated as hereinafter set forth to engage in negotiations
of a master agreement, such agreement shall besubmitted to the membership involved in such negotiationsfor their approval or rejection as the final offer in
accordance with Section 2(d) herein.

It is AFTER this vote that you can strike, ULP or economic. If the members reject the contract, THEN you can strike "without any additional vote".

Section 1(a). When any difficulty or dispute arises
between the members of any Local Union and their
employers, it shall be the duty of the officers of such Local Union to use every possible means of achieving a settlement or resolution of the difficulty or dispute through the processes of collective bargaining.

My take on this is that either 28 or 174 wanted to show IBT that they have so much power to bring down a company at their will. They weren't as prepared as OHFL to carry on the strike and now they have painted themselves into a corner and hope that one of the ULP stick because if it doesn't, they will need to explain to IBT why and what they did but the biggest injustice is against the members. They were used as pawns in this game and they are the ones that will lose BIG. OHFL will go on, smaller, bigger, whatever, but they will go on, union admins and BA will, hopefully, still have jobs making $80k to $110k a year but the members will have lost their jobs. All because someone had an ego that needed nurturing.

You should re-read your own post. I quote:

Upon completion of negotiations by any committee
designated as hereinafter set forth to engage in negotiations
of a master agreement, such agreement shall besubmitted to the membership involved in such negotiationsfor their approval or rejection as the final offer in
accordance with Section 2(d) herein.

Negotiations are not complete. My understanding is that the company has called for a meeting and the union has sent them dates for next week.
This company has threatened, lied, changed working conditions, polled the employees, created committees to resolve grievances and the list goes on. Why is this so hard for some people to understand that they are the bad guys here? They broke the law!!!!! They have tried to scare employees into doing what some of you are doing to get a substandard agreement. This is ridiculous!!!! Unless of course some of these people are mangament . They can't win it at the line so they come on here trying to win support. The joke is on you.

[Fthemwithasmile]

I don't know that members are so upset about the contracts as much as they are upset/confused about the manner in this strike was called. OHFL delivered LB&F on 9/22 afternoon and within 6 hours, 174 was in Aub telling peolple to get out on the strike line. Did you know 174 didn't even tell Joint 28 or other locals about the strike until after they pulled people out of AUB? Even Al H said they wouldn't strike until members voted on a contract and then for 174 to strike was really uncalled for. If 174 is trying to show IBT how much power they have by playing with hard working people and a good company, they really should not be representing anybody or anything. Unions are supposed to represent its members not toy with their livelihood. We'll have to see if there is any changes in the leadership at 174 and 28 in the near future.

Your comments are dead false. If you think 174 could/would call a strike, in multi jurisdictional bargaining, without discussion with the JC and the IBT you are sadly mistaken. Maybe they could have since it is a ULP strike but they would not have done it witout the support from the other locals.

[JustMe123]

The company sent letters to all of the trusts terminating the subscription agreements. The company has done nothing to help it's long term retirees or it's current employees. They threatened, lied, changed working conditions, polled the employees, created committees to resolve grievances and the list goes on. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

If you are not management and continue to ask questions that are misleading you should be ashamed.

Actually, the trust sent Oak Harbor notice that they would no longer be accepting contributions from Oak Harbor for any covered employees. Of course, this wouldn't include anyone who is out on the picket line since in order to qualify for this benefit you must work hours in a given month, but Oak Harbor would still be contributing for working employees and for the retirees.

[Fthemwithasmile]

Actually, the trust sent Oak Harbor notice that they would no longer be accepting contributions from Oak Harbor for any covered employees. Of course, this wouldn't include anyone who is out on the picket line since in order to qualify for this benefit you must work hours in a given month, but Oak Harbor would still be contributing for working employees and for the retirees.

Not true. You are being untruthfull and I would ask you to stop. Spreading untruths on here does not do anyone any good.

Oak Harbor cancelled the subscription agreements for the H & W and Pension on Sept. 23 and the Retirees H & W on Sept 26.


On Oct. 9 the trust sent a letter to all affected Teamsters Locals stating they would no longer accept contributions for replacement workers or those workers who cross the picket line.

[rock]

It sounds like the union is in your head to much if you think that the company is going to lose this one you better think again.... It looks like the union lost because a lot of guy's and gal's already crossed and in idaho there is no union left in oregon look what happend there they crossed.. It sound's like the union is just running there mouth's to much.

[foster1662]

It sounds like the union is in your head to much if you think that the company is going to lose this one you better think again.... It looks like the union lost because a lot of guy's and gal's already crossed and in idaho there is no union left in oregon look what happend there they crossed.. It sound's like the union is just running there mouth's to much.

Tell the VP's they haven't lost. We weeded out the weak and the useless. Portland is still very strong, 3 of the people
that did cross in Portland were from the same bloodline, there would have been 4 of them but one went to ABF a few years back and saved us the embarassment ( Ricardo JR ). The company is losing their a$$es and to think we will accept another piece of garbage offer, hopefully the VanDerfools are not that stupid.
As we will take this to the very end.:smilie_132:

[rock]

Good for you just wait when untill oak harbor weeds out the union

[foster1662]

Good for you just wait when untill oak harbor weeds out the union

It's people like you that make us want to set aside our
weekend plans and go hand bill more gap stores.
When that banner fell alot of people got the information
and pulled their money out of Gap stocks and put it
into something more secure. If you think they will
stick by OHFL through the holiday seasons with
this going on you must be upper management.