The Beginning of a Case Against the Teamsters and Unions in General.

[Cab Lizzard]

Interesting reading here off the Con-Way web site !!
Under the investor portal the 8k form dated 4/11/2011. Read what an employment contract in upper management is all about.No cut and paste here kiddies !
Read them all if you got time you may learn something you did not know.
Another good read is the shareholder meeting transcript of May 10,2011 . A shareholder Mr. Jim Diehl asks a question and gets an earful back.
Sounds like government a meeting in Germany back in the 40s

[buffalobill]

Here's a little something I found this morning regarding a letter from a Teamster union steward to Jimmy Hoffa regarding a new contract that his local leadership was trying to get the workers to ratify.

Is the Teamster Leadership whitewashing this contract? | TransportFool

Is the Teamster Leadership whitewashing this contract?
Posted on July 28, 2008 by Dave Campbell

Here is a copy of a letter posted on the teamster local 604 site:



First off, it's obvious that Mr. Hauck treated Mr. Dawson poorly and that his actions were out of line. Similar to what some of the pro-union people complain about company management, although I have yet to hear an actual story of an FOS actually cussing out a driver. The point is that once again, it would appear that occasionally, Teamster leadership has a problem with carrying out their primary function of protecting the dues paying members from "unfair" labor practices. It happened in MO, what would prevent it from happening where your local is?
what "unfair" labor practices happened here? the union trying to promote their contract?how is that "unfair"? there will always be a whiner, whether its you or someone else....

Secondly, the dispute was over a contract the steward knew was fatally flawed. Why would the union leadership, after negotiating with management, come back with a contract that was stacked in favor of the company? Anyone care to take a shot at that one?

fatally flawed? I don't know if you realize this article is 3 years old, but judging what car haulers make, compared to what freight drivers make, SHOW me where it is flawed. Jack Cooper is still around, if anything, they are GROWING, as i see them now in WNY frequently.

are you now cruizing the TDU website, frantically taking pot shots at whatever you can to try and discredit the teamsters? good luck. btw, you might want to ASK a jack cooper or cassens driver what they make. it will probably piss you off that the union does so well by their workers.

[bullfrog75]

Sounds like an (ANTI-UNION GUY)....keep drinking that (CON-WAY KOOL-AID).

[Cab Lizzard]

Yes I understand the intent of the law. I was pointing out again this is not how the Teamsters PAC is set up. I may add when you signup for the PAC you fill out a card ( Their is no gun to your head) the amount you wish to donate and sign it.
I am sure their are many PAC's out their that are in violation of the law we read about them almost daily in the news don't we. Our Government would be much better without them all.

There was not a question as to the inent of the law. This dealt with the law being followed. This was the part was very interesting.

And as far as some schmuk writing a book, you're right, that is his opionion. Just like everything you or i post on here is opinion.

I have worked for both union and non-union companies so I too have seen it from both sides. Everyone that was hired on by Conway came into a non-union environment. they knew this from the day they applied. Yes this company has had some piss poor leaders since they brought on DaveM(fatbeard). Did I agree with the givebacks? NO. But we are still going thru the worst recession/depression since the Great Depression and I don't see the end in sight yet.

[walken1414]

There was not a question as to the inent of the law. This dealt with the law being followed. This was the part was very interesting.

And as far as some schmuk writing a book, you're right, that is his opionion. Just like everything you or i post on here is opinion.

I have worked for both union and non-union companies so I too have seen it from both sides. Everyone that was hired on by Conway came into a non-union environment. they knew this from the day they applied. Yes this company has had some piss poor leaders since they brought on DaveM(fatbeard). Did I agree with the givebacks? NO. But we are still going thru the worst recession/depression since the Great Depression and I don't see the end in sight yet.

So the fact that so much was taken from us without asking us makes it all right? Piss Poor mangement is why Drivers r talking about the Union. When We came to con-way we had certain benifits that have now been stolen from us and we still Don't have a right to consider the union? WRONG

[ssadab]

So the fact that so much was taken from us without asking us makes it all right? Piss Poor mangement is why Drivers r talking about the Union. When We came to con-way we had certain benifits that have now been stolen from us and we still Don't have a right to consider the union? WRONG

When did I ever say it was alright to take away these benefit?
When did I say you don't have a right to consider a union?

I have every right to have my own opinion on a union. Most of the pro-union guys call us koolaid drinkers or we have blinders on. Then I ask as to where all this benefit funding is coming from and get no serious responses.

I never said I agreed with the cutbacks, but relized that these were a temporary solution to keep the company afloat.

[pumpkinsocks]

this article you're posting of a Case Against the Teamsters and Unions in General.It's been created by the same anti-union corporations like conway and the chamber of commerce. educated your self and find out what right to work means, it means we're gonna have to work for less, may be you haven't been around that long we have not got a raise and the cost of our health insurance is going up and not only that rumors are we are going to pay 50% of it by next year.so find out who The National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation is? corporate america IDGARRET you have to be in management to be posting this article

[Cab Lizzard]

So some labor unions and maybe the Teamsters are one of the labor unions that are not legal in they way they donate PAC monies. It would be safe to say that ALL PAC monies may not be funded thru legal channels then. As with past court proceedings many people and company's have been convicted of this crime. So their fore it is safe to say this is not just a labor union issue .

Workers have a voice, just like business owners, shareholders, and even the poor and unemployed, we all have a voice, it's called a vote and we all have the privelege to convert our voice into action every two years or so. How much Con-way upper management contributed to PAC's is irrevelavent, just as how much union members contribute to PAC's. One of the points I'm trying to make with this thread is that money does not always find it's way into PAC's in a legal way and that includes the PAC's sponsored by certain labor unions and possibly the Teamsters. More than half of the posters in these threads are trashing the company based on half-truths and rhetoric, while embracing the Teamsters as the Messiah coming to save them. I happen to disagree with biting the hand that feeds me and putting my trust into an organization that has a checkered legal history is something I simply don't care to do. I write what I write in the hopes that I can cast some doubt as to the credibility of the Teamsters in the minds of the undecideds at XCO and other SC's trying to organize.

What does the Citizens United decision have to do with how much will be contributed to our 401K plan?

I like you Mr. ldgarrit want the truth to prevail here and that all employees get the best information possible to make an informed decision. I am not attacking Con-Way or the Teamsters. We all have our faults don't we Mr. ldgarrit ?

[Cab Lizzard]

I will tell you where this benefit funding is going to come from Con-Way !!
Read the Con-Way web site investor portal. Pay attention to the 8k filings and read the minutes from those shareholder minutes you will see their is plenty of money to spend, but not on the little front line worker ants. This is better reading than a old anti union cut and paste web site any old day sonny.

When did I ever say it was alright to take away these benefit?
When did I say you don't have a right to consider a union?

I have every right to have my own opinion on a union. Most of the pro-union guys call us koolaid drinkers or we have blinders on. Then I ask as to where all this benefit funding is coming from and get no serious responses.

I never said I agreed with the cutbacks, but relized that these were a temporary solution to keep the company afloat.

[hanalad]

Here's a little something I found this morning regarding a letter from a Teamster union steward to Jimmy Hoffa regarding a new contract that his local leadership was trying to get the workers to ratify.

Is the Teamster Leadership whitewashing this contract? | TransportFool

Is the Teamster Leadership whitewashing this contract?
Posted on July 28, 2008 by Dave Campbell

Here is a copy of a letter posted on the teamster local 604 site:



First off, it's obvious that Mr. Hauck treated Mr. Dawson poorly and that his actions were out of line. Similar to what some of the pro-union people complain about company management, although I have yet to hear an actual story of an FOS actually cussing out a driver. The point is that once again, it would appear that occasionally, Teamster leadership has a problem with carrying out their primary function of protecting the dues paying members from "unfair" labor practices. It happened in MO, what would prevent it from happening where your local is?

Secondly, the dispute was over a contract the steward knew was fatally flawed. Why would the union leadership, after negotiating with management, come back with a contract that was stacked in favor of the company? Anyone care to take a shot at that one?

In a perfect world, everything will go my way only. No one else has an opinion. Perfection is the key. In today's world there is win/lose and right/wrong. I guess we all assume everyone is PERFECT. Including you.