You Just Might Be a Marxist

[Toby]

You Just Might Be a Marxist

Stanley Kurtz has done what the media refused to do — finally vet the president and his radical past, two years too late to prevent him from becoming president, but just in time to issue a restraining order on him next Tuesday.

Yet people seem to be under the misapprehension that in order to be a Marxist, one has to be as explicitly so as the president has been with his deliberate associations with socialist and communist organizations and individuals. But Marxism isn’t a doctrine so much as an attitude. It is founded on a couple of key illogical and immoral foundations, which many people find superficially appealing, human nature being what it is.

The first is the notion that what people “need” is an objective rather than subjective notion, which can be determined by benevolent third parties. After all, if one is going to reorder society and redistribute wealth, it is only “fair” that people be allowed to get what they “need” before depriving them of anything beyond that to satisfy the “needs” of others. This concept is exemplified by the famous phrase: “To each according to his need, from each according to his ability.”

But of course, in the real world, the difference between “need” and “desire” is purely subjective, and varies with the individual and their degree of self-actualization. At its most basic, there is no “need” for anything except air, food, and shelter. And such needs can be met in a North Korean prison. But when someone is lecturing someone else about what they “need,” what they really mean is that because they don’t perceive a need for those things, no one else really has one either — whether it’s flat-screen television, an SUV, a lobster dinner, a second home, or another handgun. They are perhaps happy to live in a rabbit warren, eat macrobiotic food, and ride their bicycle to work, and don’t think that anyone else should “need” more. And of course, since those selfish people don’t really need more, the rest of their resources are now available to satisfy the unmet “real” needs of the rest of society.

The other mythical foundation of Marxism is the labor theory of value, and its corollary, that “intrinsic” value exists. Like the “need” myth, it is one of subjectivity versus objectivity. Marxists believe that there is a knowable objective value for everything, and the very act of work creates it. That is, if a worker works a certain number of hours, his output is intrinsically valuable.

read the whole article Franklin,NPT you guys might not think you fit in this category but you might be surprised
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[Magoo]

You may be alright with most truck drivers and I admit there are many of you guys out there, like a post I read by Charlie Danial's he calls it the soap box you would enjoy it.
But for a lot of people you guys are seen as parrots repeating back some garbage you heard, Obama is a Marxist, communist socialist with secret plans to change everything and brainwash the children kill the grand mothers.
I guess you can't see how ridiculous it sounds to others but it plays well with your crowd.
It doesn't play well outside your groups, it seems and don't hate me but ignorant and low brow. Your guys are not fit to run the country and its scary to think some of them will try. Palin threw her hat in the ring the other day for president, thats really scary that she could get your votes. You got Rand and McDonnell and Rubio coming up and the dardest thing is there platform will hurt you the working guy the most, but you can't see it. I can't figure you out, oh well
Magoo

[Toby]

Magoo how could I hate you?? That my friend I do not!!

In as much the things said on your side has been said for a long time as well and has been proven wrong over and over. To be fair a equilibrium of all the ideas your side and mine would really be the only way to progress forward. The Marxist ideas that many "working class" or "unions" (remember I am a rank and file member as well that does support unions whether you believe it or not) are not the things that would deliver us a perfect Utopian society.

I have said it before and we all know this, "life is not fair and no one will make it so, what is fair is having the free ability to achieve or fail by your own merit and effort."


You say that they would hurt the working man the most and that is debatable because it is the working man that has to have a chance to be able to compete but when you standardize something you do not allow for progression in the ranks, and not a person is the same that is where marxism fails as it did in russia. Look at the schools we went to standardization and it has made those brighter students be held back by the that are at a lower level, the same applies in the bigger picture of things. Look at the thread of quotes I posted, today I posted one on production in farming in Russia look at how that failed, same on the bigger picture and that is a sad fact but a truth just the same.

[Magoo]

Your mixing apples and oranges, nobody believes we achieve a Utopian society. And I'm not against capitalism and don't want to be a communist.
That said we must realize that capitalism and the market forces can work against the needs of the working class. There is nothing wrong with a union trying to lift up their memberships lives, after all they must negotiate with industry which has its own sets of goals. So I believe the workers should look after their interests as industry does for themselves. Industry does have a lot of clout and its tough to beat. How many heads were cracked by policemen busting up rallies and strikes, the law usually sides with the Industry unless you get a high court to back you up.
Bring back industry is the goal and somebody much smarter then me will have to come up with the answer to that one. I don't think tariffs and trade barriers will be productive it has to be something much different and I don't know what. But it will meet with great resistance as usual when somebody loses a fortune.
I don't think the guy in office is doing a bad job considering what he is up against, but all politicians know its the economy stupid.
Magoo

[Starkravinloon]

Your mixing apples and oranges, nobody believes we achieve a Utopian society. And I'm not against capitalism and don't want to be a communist.
That said we must realize that capitalism and the market forces can work against the needs of the working class. There is nothing wrong with a union trying to lift up their memberships lives, after all they must negotiate with industry which has its own sets of goals. So I believe the workers should look after their interests as industry does for themselves. Industry does have a lot of clout and its tough to beat. How many heads were cracked by policemen busting up rallies and strikes, the law usually sides with the Industry unless you get a high court to back you up.
Bring back industry is the goal and somebody much smarter then me will have to come up with the answer to that one. I don't think tariffs and trade barriers will be productive it has to be something much different and I don't know what. But it will meet with great resistance as usual when somebody loses a fortune.
I don't think the guy in office is doing a bad job considering what he is up against, but all politicians know its the economy stupid.
Magoo

So..Where has the union wages gone now,Magoo? Was that caused by the non-union employees excepting a wage,or was it cause by them NOT being a part of a union? Be careful how you answer,cause the answer is quite obvious,in todays union...

[Toby]

Where has all the dues money gone?? Seems that a large part has been spent on Democrat election campaigns,,, where the heck is my pension money? OH ya the Tax payer will be called upon to bail them out.

[jimmy g]

But for a lot of people you guys are seen as parrots repeating back some garbage you heard, Obama is a Marxist, communist socialist with secret plans to change everything and brainwash the children kill the grand mothers.
I guess you can't see how ridiculous it sounds to others but it plays well with your crowd.
It doesn't play well outside your groups, it seems and don't hate me but ignorant and low brow. Magoo

So, square your response with the article???? (from the article)



If you believe, as the president does, that “it’s good for everyone when we spread the wealth around,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that “the rich” don’t “need” tax rate reductions, you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that, at some point, other people have “made enough money,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that we have to “keep people in their homes,” even when they have never had any equity in them, and despite the fact that they can’t afford the mortgage and the market is not being allowed to clear, then you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that there is a floor on the value of everyone’s labor, and it is a single number applicable in every state of the union, regardless of the cost of living, then you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that handing someone who pays no taxes a government check is a “tax cut,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that the government should pay the “prevailing local wage” on government projects, you might be both a Marxist and a racist, since Davis-Bacon was instituted to shut lower-paid minorities out of such projects.

If you believe that unemployment checks are the surest, fastest way to stimulate the economy, you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that the capital gains tax should be increased, even though it would result in reduced government revenue, because that’s what is required for “fairness,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that you know better than someone else what they “need,” and are willing to impose your belief on them at gunpoint and force them to purchase it, and not allow them to purchase things that they think they need, then you just might be a Marxist, too.



These are factual outtakes. I can give you hundreds more, along with the Ten Major Tenets of Communism. Obama IS a Marxist.....and it appears, Mags, so are you.....

[Magoo]

So, square your response with the article???? (from the article)



If you believe, as the president does, that “it’s good for everyone when we spread the wealth around,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that “the rich” don’t “need” tax rate reductions, you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that, at some point, other people have “made enough money,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that we have to “keep people in their homes,” even when they have never had any equity in them, and despite the fact that they can’t afford the mortgage and the market is not being allowed to clear, then you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that there is a floor on the value of everyone’s labor, and it is a single number applicable in every state of the union, regardless of the cost of living, then you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that handing someone who pays no taxes a government check is a “tax cut,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that the government should pay the “prevailing local wage” on government projects, you might be both a Marxist and a racist, since Davis-Bacon was instituted to shut lower-paid minorities out of such projects.

If you believe that unemployment checks are the surest, fastest way to stimulate the economy, you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that the capital gains tax should be increased, even though it would result in reduced government revenue, because that’s what is required for “fairness,” you might be a Marxist.

If you believe that you know better than someone else what they “need,” and are willing to impose your belief on them at gunpoint and force them to purchase it, and not allow them to purchase things that they think they need, then you just might be a Marxist, too.



These are factual outtakes. I can give you hundreds more, along with the Ten Major Tenets of Communism. Obama IS a Marxist.....and it appears, Mags, so are you.....

I believe the day will come when you realize you have to stick up for the rights of the people who belong to your economic class.
If after this recession/ depression is over (10 years or so) and things get back to "normal" and factories continue to leave our shores for cheaper labor maybe then you might think something is wrong here. Maybe the system needs tweeking.
But maybe your right after the election and the Republicans take over everything will be honky dory.
Magoo

[jimmy g]

I believe the day will come when you realize you have to stick up for the rights of the people who belong to your economic class.
If after this recession/ depression is over (10 years or so) and things get back to "normal" and factories continue to leave our shores for cheaper labor maybe then you might think something is wrong here. Maybe the system needs tweeking.
But maybe your right after the election and the Republicans take over everything will be honky dory.
Magoo

"Sticking up for your Economis Class" is Classic Marxism. Once again, your show your colors.

In all things, go with the US Constitution, and the Freedoms given to us by God. Has zero to do with being a Repub or a Dem; has zero to do with feeling sorry for or protecting some class of people-- has everything to do with our Rights/Responsiblilities/Freedoms given by God.

[Magoo]

No it doesn't fall under any one word pejorative description just looking out for survival, maybe common sense is a good description is that two words or one?
Magoo