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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba74 View Post
    throughout the 1990's Dem politicans from President Billy through congress, etc... called Saddam the most dangerous man on the planet. Truth if the matter is, if Billy would have been doing his job, Bush would not have to act on Iraq. Saddam violated the terms of the cease fire numerous times, Billy launched a few missiles and let it go.
    Typical lib argument procedure, cannot argue facts so result to insults.
    I would seriously like to apologize if I hurt anyones feelings this was not my intent! But I am gonna have to call you guy's on the Saddam deal though. As I recall and remember I'm older than you guy's, it was daddy Bush who started this whole mess!! When he could'nt get Saddam it fell to jr, Clinton just happened to be in the middle giving the working man the best ecomomy we've ever had!!!

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    No feeling are not hurt, we just have disagreements on a lot of issues.
    We agree (it seems) that it really doesn t matter which party, the hen house has been guarded by the fox for way too long. People are starting to wake up and say "when did this happen" well it has been happening for decades.

    As I recall and remember I'm older than you guy's, it was daddy Bush who started this whole mess!!
    May 28-30
    Hussein asserts oil overproduction by Kuwait and United Arab Emirates is "economic warfare" against Iraq.

    July 15-17
    Iraq accuses Kuwait of stealing oil from Rumaylah oil field on Iraq-Kuwait border and warns of military action.

    July 22
    Iraq begins military buildup against Kuwait.

    August 2, #1
    Iraq invades Kuwait and seizes Kuwaiti oil fields. Kuwait's emir flees. Iraq masses troops along the Saudi bordr. U.N. condemns Iraq's invasion and demands withdrawl.

    August 6
    U.N. imposes trade embargo on Iraq.

    August 7
    Saudi Arabia requests U.S. troops to defend against possible Iraqi attack.

    August 8
    Hussein proclaims annexation of Kuwait.

    August 9, #2
    First U.S. military forces arrive in Saudi Arabia. U.N. declares Iraqi annexation of Kuwait void.


    August 10
    Hussein declares a "jihad" or holy war against the U.S. and Israel.

    August 12
    Naval blockade of Iraq begins. All shipments of Iraqi oil halted.

    August 28
    Iraq declares Kuwait its 19th province, renames Kuwait City al-Kadhima.

    September 14-15
    United Kingdom and France announce deployment of 10,000 troops to Gulf.

    December 17
    U.N. sets deadline for Iraqi withdrawal on January 15, 1991. Hussein rejects all U.N. resolutions.

    1991

    January 3
    Defense Department censors war reporting by press.

    January 9
    Talks between U.S. Secretary of State Baker and Iraqi Foreign Minister Aziz end in stalemate.

    January 12
    Congress grants President Bush authority to wage war.

    January 17
    Operation Desert Storm begins at 3 a.m. Baghdad time.


    January 19, #3
    First scud missiles strike Israel.

    January 22
    Iraq begins blowing up Kuwaiti oil wells.

    January 25, #4
    Iraq begins "environmental war" by pumping millions of gallons of crude oil into Gulf.

    January 30, #5
    Iraqi and Coalition forces engage in first important ground battle in Khafji, Saudi Arabia.


    February 1
    Secretary of Defense Cheney warns U.S. will retaliate if Iraq uses chemical or unconventional weapons.

    February 8
    Total U.S. troops in Gulf now over half million.

    February 12-13
    Air bombardment of Baghdad destroys three major bridges and kills 400 people in an air-raid shelter.

    February 19
    Soviet-Iraqi peace plan rejected by President Bush. Oil spill in Gulf now estimated at 1.5 million barrels.

    February 22
    President Bush issues 24-hour ultimatum: Iraq must withdraw from Kuwait to avoid start of ground war.

    February 24, #6
    Allied ground campaign begins. Schwarzkopf implements the Gulf War's critical "left hook" maneuver as conceived by General Grant's 1863 Civil War campaign at Vicksburg.

    February 25, #7
    Iraqi Scud missile hits U.S. barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 U.S. soldiers.


    February 26, #8
    Hussein announces Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait. Iraqi troops exodus from Kuwait City results in "Highway of Death."


    February 27
    Coalition forces enter Kuwait City. U.S. 1st Armored Division fights battle of Medina Ridge against Iraqi Republican Guard in Iraq. President Bush declares Kuwait liberated.

    The ground war took about 100 hours.
    Gen. Schwarzkopf wanted to continue further into Iraq and remove Saddam, the UN said no the mandate had been fulfilled. A cease fire agreement was put into place and Saddam was allowed to stay in power. Iraq violated the cease fire agreement on numerous occasions including: continued aggression against the Kurds, refusal to allow UN weapon inspectors into certain sites, flying in no fly zones and rearming through the UN's oil for food program (I wonder how much Kofi Anon and his kid pocketed off this program). Clinton did not have the stones to deal with the violations. Instead he made speeches.

    Clinton just happened to be in the middle giving the working man the best ecomomy we've ever had!!!
    no the best economy the "working man ever had" was in the 1950's-1960's when the rest of the world was rebuilding from WWII and if you wanted it, it was made in America. Clinton had good times however, at the end of his term, the Tech Bubble burst and he left Bush with a recession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unionjoe View Post
    I would seriously like to apologize if I hurt anyones feelings this was not my intent! But I am gonna have to call you guy's on the Saddam deal though. As I recall and remember I'm older than you guy's, it was daddy Bush who started this whole mess!! When he could'nt get Saddam it fell to jr, Clinton just happened to be in the middle giving the working man the best ecomomy we've ever had!!!
    No apologies necessary..But I would like to ask a question..What's thing you have about "age"? Do you happen to know how old all of us are? I may be older than you...I think maybe if you are 30 or above you would remember what went on...And thank you for mentioning Reagan's Boy...He did have a good time,on Ronnie's dime...Thank you for your support...
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    Whatever did become of the gas warfare used on the Kurds? Anybody got an answer that can be backed up by facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadrunner73 View Post
    Whatever did become of the gas warfare used on the Kurds? Anybody got an answer that can be backed up by facts?
    Like this one?
    And some people still want to say that Saddam didn't have any chemical weapons.

    Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Chemical attacks

    The five-hour attack began early in the evening of March 16, 1988, following a series of indiscriminate conventional (rocket and napalm) attacks, when Iraqi MiG and Mirage aircraft began dropping chemical bombs on Halabja's residential areas, far from the besieged Iraqi army base on the outskirts of the town. According to regional Kurdish rebel commanders, Iraqi aircraft conducted up to 14 bombings in sorties of seven to eight planes each; helicopters coordinating the operation were also seen. Eyewitnesses told of clouds of smoke billowing upward "white, black and then yellow"', rising as a column about 150 feet (46 m) in the air.[1]

    Survivors said the gas at first smelled of sweet apples;[10] they said people died in a number of ways, suggesting a combination of toxic chemicals (some of the victims "just dropped dead" while others "died of laughing"; while still others took a few minutes to die, first "burning and blistering" or coughing up green vomit).[11] It is believed that Iraqi forces used multiple chemical agents during the attack, including mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX;[3] some sources have also pointed to the blood agent hydrogen cyanide (most of the wounded taken to hospitals in the Iranian capital Tehran were suffering from mustard gas exposure).[1]
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    Iraq's Chemical Weapon Program

    Well before Operation Desert Storm or the U.N. inspections that followed it, Iraq had already begun to build chemical weapons. After launching a research effort in the 1970s, Iraq was able to use chemical weapons in its war against Iran and to kill large numbers of its own Kurdish population in the 1980s. During the first Gulf War, there were fears that Iraq would launch chemical-tipped missiles at its neighbors, particularly Israel, but Iraq refrained for fear of U.S. retaliation. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, coalition troops again feared they might be hit with chemical weapons, though this did not come to pass.

    By 1991, the United Nations had established its Special Commission (UNSCOM) and charged it with the task of destroying, removing, or rendering harmless "all chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."

    By the time UNSCOM left Iraq in December 1998, it had eliminated a large portion of Iraq's chemical weapon potential. UNSCOM had overseen the destruction or incapacitation of more than 88,000 filled or unfilled chemical munitions, over 600 tons of weaponized or bulk chemical agents, some 4,000 tons of precursor chemicals, some 980 pieces of key production equipment, and some 300 pieces of analytical equipment. Notwithstanding these extraordinary achievements, there remained important uncertainties regarding Iraq's holdings of chemical weapons, their precursors, and munitions.

    After UNSCOM inspectors left Iraq in December 1998, U.S.-led forces bombed many sites believed to be chemical weapon plants. After the bombing, reports emerged that Iraq had rebuilt many of those sites, and that the sites appeared to be operating. It was inferred that Iraq had resumed its production of chemical weapons, and was adding new elements to the portion of its previous stockpile that had never been accounted for.
    PJ Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria

    Ha’aretz has revived the mystery surrounding the inability to find weapons of mass destruction stockpiles in Iraq, the most commonly cited justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom and one of the most embarrassing episodes for the United States. Satellite photos of a suspicious site in Syria are providing new support for the reporting of a Syrian journalist who briefly rocked the world with his reporting that Iraq’s WMD had been sent to three sites in Syria just before the invasion commenced.

    The newspaper reveals that a 200 square-kilometer area in northwestern Syria has been photographed by satellites at the request of a Western intelligence agency at least 16 times, the most recent being taken in January. The site is near Masyaf, and it has at least five installations and hidden paths leading underneath the mountains. This supports the reporting of Nizar Nayouf, an award-winning Syrian journalist who said in 2004 that his sources confirmed that Saddam Hussein’s WMDs were in Syria.
    Wikileaks confirms other ignored reports about Iraq WMDs - National Conservative | Examiner.com

    Numerous sources are reporting that secret US documents released by Wikileaks have revealed that George W. Bush was right about Iraq having WMDs prior to invasion by US forces. However, the documents cited by the reports are not directly obtainable from the Wikileaks web site because of denial of service and domain shutdowns in the ongoing cyber war between US intelligence and DOD sources and the Wikileaks hackers and supporters.
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    A portion of Bubba's article that needs to be highlighted.

    "By the time UNSCOM left Iraq in December 1998, it had eliminated a large portion of Iraq's chemical weapon potential. UNSCOM had overseen the destruction or incapacitation of more than 88,000 filled or unfilled chemical munitions, over 600 tons of weaponized or bulk chemical agents, some 4,000 tons of precursor chemicals, some 980 pieces of key production equipment, and some 300 pieces of analytical equipment."

    This, combined with the chemical attack on the Kurds in Northern Iraq is all the proof that we need. But, I'm sure that at least one of our resident libs will tell us that George Bush printed and edited the articles. But, whatever.

    These article were out there and available, but once the liberal media, and the Democrats (who originally supported military action) decided to take advantage of some political opportunities, the articles went unreported.
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