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    Cops went to wrong address,killed the occupant that answered the door holding a gun

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    If someone comes knocking at my door and does not say who they are.
    Well then I may also open the door with some sort of weapon,in case they maybe home invaders.

    Andrew Lee Scott Dead: Lake County Police Fatally Shoot Wrong Man While Hunting Murder Suspect

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    That's crazy. I don't see why he should be partially responsible. If they had said they were the police maybe he wouldn't have opened the door with a gun in hand. I think this is all the cops fault in this situation. Although I'm sure they will spin it to make the innocent dead man the real person at fault

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    I can see both sides of the story here.

    The man who answered the door likely heard the sirens and racket outside his door get closer and closer. A motorcycle was ditched in front of his house. He hears a knock on the door. Who wouldn't answer the door with a firearm at the ready?

    The cops chasing a felon who was armed and considered dangerous. The person they were chasing ditches the bike and runs off. My first thought would also be to check the house the bike was ditched in front of. If I'm a cop in this case and someone answers the door with a gun, you bet I'm going to open fire. And the last thing any cop wants to do in this case is reveal their identity not knowing what to expect. You don't storm a house with a armed felon barricaded inside and expect to walk out alive.

    It's a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. One thing that could be changed to prevent this from happening again is procedure. Under no circumstances should a traffic cop be allowed to invade a home to capture a felon. This needs to be done by SWAT, and SWAT alone. That is the one mistake I saw the cops do. Instead of knocking on the door, they should have set up a perimeter.
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    Once again air, you are typing uninformed. They were not chasing the suspect, so no lights and sirens. They didn't announce who they were, so they hold the bag.

    Come to my door at 2 in the morning and see what kind of weapons I'm holding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardrail View Post
    Once again air, you are typing uninformed. They were not chasing the suspect, so no lights and sirens. They didn't announce who they were, so they hold the bag.

    Come to my door at 2 in the morning and see what kind of weapons I'm holding.

    The one who is misinformed is you. If they were serving a search warrant as you suggest, their approach wouldn't have been a knock on the door. They would have kicked the door in. It also wouldn't have been a traffic cop at the door. It would have been a SWAT team. It was a chase. One of the suspects ditched a bike in front of the apartment. I suggest you watch the video.

    And how am I once again misinformed? Are opinions you don't agree with wrong, even though you agree with what I stated but didn't admit to it?
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    I say the officers were in the wrong, put them on trial for negligent homicide. They pursued the motorcycle to the street where the suspect PARKED, not ditched, the bike in front of "unit 114". They "ASSUMED" that the suspect was inside that unit because the bike was there. They DID NOT identify themselves as police officers and apparently did not approach with lights and sirens because they didn't want scare the suspect off? Are you serious?

    "When we knocked on the door, the door opened and the occupant of that apartment was pointing a gun at deputies and that's when we opened fire and killed him," said Lt. John Herrell, according to WESH.

    Officers admit they never identified themselves to Scott, a 26-year-old pizza deliveryman. Still, Herrell holds the victim at least partially responsible.

    "It's just a bizarre set of circumstances," he said. "The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said.
    So let me get this straight, somebody bangs on my door early in the morning, when I'm not expecting anybody to come over, I'm supposed to go to the door, unarmed, and hope that the police will find the person that killed me for a few items in my house that they can sell to buy drugs, right? "Don't know why he answered the door with a gun?" To protect himself from exactly what happened to him. Apparently he did not fire at the officers or they would have said he did. He was doing exactly what anybody with a brain would do, trying to protect his life and property. The only mistake that he made was not unloading his clip before he went down.

    Long gone are the days when leo's can make assumptions about anything. They should pay for their crime of shooting this man. Hopefully they and other leo's will learn that assumptions are the mother of all f'ups. And they say that the pizza delivery guy is partially at fault? On what grounds? He was on private property, and was not wanted for questioning anywhere that the leo's knew about. Apparently he had no outstanding warrants, otherwise they would have said so, and as far as the leo's knew, it was legal for this man to have a firearm.

    I can honestly say anybody approaches my house better announce themselves and let their intentions be clearly understood by me. Anywhere I go in my house I am just 8 feet from some sort of pistol, rifle or shotgun. I live out in the country, my closest neighbor is 3/4 of mile away. All of my freinds and family know to call before they come over. Somebody shows up unannounced will be met with some sort of weapon in tow. IF you can get clear up to my house, which sits on a dead end road, and break in the door a vest will do you no good. I'll tap the head and ask questions later. There are too many crackheads in my part of the state to be messing around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmilkwagon View Post
    I say the officers were in the wrong, put them on trial for negligent homicide. They pursued the motorcycle to the street where the suspect PARKED, not ditched, the bike in front of "unit 114". They "ASSUMED" that the suspect was inside that unit because the bike was there. They DID NOT identify themselves as police officers and apparently did not approach with lights and sirens because they didn't want scare the suspect off? Are you serious?



    So let me get this straight, somebody bangs on my door early in the morning, when I'm not expecting anybody to come over, I'm supposed to go to the door, unarmed, and hope that the police will find the person that killed me for a few items in my house that they can sell to buy drugs, right? "Don't know why he answered the door with a gun?" To protect himself from exactly what happened to him. Apparently he did not fire at the officers or they would have said he did. He was doing exactly what anybody with a brain would do, trying to protect his life and property. The only mistake that he made was not unloading his clip before he went down.

    Long gone are the days when leo's can make assumptions about anything. They should pay for their crime of shooting this man. Hopefully they and other leo's will learn that assumptions are the mother of all f'ups. And they say that the pizza delivery guy is partially at fault? On what grounds? He was on private property, and was not wanted for questioning anywhere that the leo's knew about. Apparently he had no outstanding warrants, otherwise they would have said so, and as far as the leo's knew, it was legal for this man to have a firearm.

    I can honestly say anybody approaches my house better announce themselves and let their intentions be clearly understood by me. Anywhere I go in my house I am just 8 feet from some sort of pistol, rifle or shotgun. I live out in the country, my closest neighbor is 3/4 of mile away. All of my freinds and family know to call before they come over. Somebody shows up unannounced will be met with some sort of weapon in tow. IF you can get clear up to my house, which sits on a dead end road, and break in the door a vest will do you no good. I'll tap the head and ask questions later. There are too many crackheads in my part of the state to be messing around.

    My thoughts as well. They should have set up a perimeter and waited for SWAT instead of trying to make entry. You don't try to gain entry into a home with a barricaded suspect you think is inside. Very dumb move. If their man was in the house, that LEO would have been shot right on the spot. Or if this escalated into a hostage crisis, the hostage would have been shot by the suspect. Poorly executed.
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    If he lives in a community where he needs a gun to answer the door....why is he even answering the door??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airbrakes View Post
    The one who is misinformed is you. If they were serving a search warrant as you suggest, their approach wouldn't have been a knock on the door. They would have kicked the door in. It also wouldn't have been a traffic cop at the door. It would have been a SWAT team. It was a chase. One of the suspects ditched a bike in front of the apartment. I suggest you watch the video.
    Now I know why you are misinformed. You trust that some idiot news reporter is telling you the whole story.

    After receiving reports that Brown was spotted at the Blueberry Hills Apartment complex, officers arrived at 1:30 AM to find his motorcycle parked near Andrew Lee Scott's front door.

    http://m.gawker.com/5926344/innocent...murder-suspect

    So you see, there was no pursuit, as you suggest. They were following a tip and acted in haste.

    I never said they were serving a search warrant. Where do you read this stuff?

    It was a sheriff's deputy, by the way, not a traffic cop.


    And how am I once again misinformed? Are opinions you don't agree with wrong, even though you agree with what I stated but didn't admit to it?
    You aren't stating opinion, you are stating misinformation. Do a little research on your own and get the whole story before posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpshooter View Post
    If he lives in a community where he needs a gun to answer the door....why is he even answering the door??
    If he had a weapon at the ready, why didn't he look out the peep hole or window before opening the door? Pretty stupid and he paid with his life.
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