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06-15-2008, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceace  unions r the reason for all the companys packing up and going over seas u guys get wage increases the price of everything u haul goes up | The reason corporations are operating in foreign lands is to open sweat shops.PERIOD! Nafta and any other free trade agreement can kiss my a$$. They are pathetically unpatriotic to the nth degree. These ceos should be brought back to America and hung for treason. Teamster Elvis out....
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06-15-2008, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JenBrady7 Ok ... so how many union drivers pop positive on a random...get "fired"...and have the union get their job back?? I've seen that more often than I would like to remember. How can that be supported? Not only are they taking their own life and putting it at risk, but those of others on the road ... equipment ... it's horrible! The unions were originally formed for fair and safe working environments ... yet here we have them putting people with unsafe practices back on the road. How does that make it safe?? For them, maybe ... job safety. But for others out there??? Now, I know that all drivers don't do things like that, but c'mon...saying all Mexicans would be like that is just like saying all teamsters would. | So what actually is your beef here sir? Is it your concern for the well being of these PTS employees? Or is your total disdain for unionization that drives your posts? Teamster Elvis out.....
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06-15-2008, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by carhaulerfrank The Allied pay cut was 15%, but other that that you are absolutely right. Hoffa sold us out "down the river with no paddle". I have 10 years in, but was ready to walk if given a chance.
It is definitely going to be an uphill battle for these guys.
From what I understand, there is a clause which forbids Allied from taking any other union carriers business, so at least they can't hold that over these guys heads.
All of the Teamster haters out there, you need to realize that the union drivers are some of the safest drivers on the road. The whole idea behind working on a contract is to enable a driver to make a reasonable wage without driving him or herself into the ground.
Maybe you should take a look at some of the big non union carries, ( swift, schneider, werner ) they teach a person to drive a truck and get a license in their own schools, send them on the road with a seasoned driver for a few weeks after which they are on their own. Of course they will pay them as little as possible, that is why their driver turn around is usually above 75%.
Who would you prefer to drive along side on the highway a Teamster or one of these greenhorns?  | The driver trainers are green as broccoli. They kick those people out on the road with absolutely no skills or experience. It is an absolute atrocity. A total breakdown of our transportation industry. I warn all of my loved ones to stay the hell away from truck drivers while driving the freeways. It is a shame. Teamster Elvis out....
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06-15-2008, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JenBrady7 A "company plant"??? No...sorry. You are way off base there. Do I haul vehicles? No. But, I've been in this industry for 10 years and have stood behind drivers in many instances. I understand fighting for unfair treatment, but trying to close a company down and not even budging to assist in the saving of these drivers' jobs is a little crazy. I'm not "anti union". They were originated with great intentions. However, they have distanced themselves from that original purpose and now think that "the man" is out to get them. All PTS was trying to do was save these jobs. Anyone can see that when diesel goes up to almost $5.00/gal and manufacturers are cutting production that the business is going to lose money. I guess I would have expected that the same concessions would have been given to PTS as Allied. From what I've gathered here, the union supported that and "sold it" like there was no tomorrow. Maybe posting here was a mistake, but someone ... someone has to see that you are even supporting unfair treatment to those that post. Someone can call someone stupid because of their opinion and "flip them the bird" via "smiley icons" yet that post stays and the one with a different opinion gets booted. This is a free country and people to have the right to speak their opinion. Does everyone have to agree? No. But what does this say about those running this forum? You assumed I was "anti union". You assumed I was a "company plant". Why? Because I don't agree with this strike?? I'm sure there are plenty of now former PTS drivers that didn't either. | First of all. This is not a community bulletin board. They reserve the right to kick you or anyone off this site, any time they wish. He is correct. You are placing blame where it is not deserved. High fuel costs are passed to the shipper in the way of fuel surcharges. Which in turn gets passed on to the consumer. Why should the Teamsters negotiate, in good faith, a 15% pay cut for their members? To save their jobs? What jobs? I have been around a while. Seen a lot. When a company is in dire straights to the point of requesting a pay cut, it has been my observation, the company is beyond saving. Only buying time. Prolonging the inevitable. I would bet money, that this is the result of poor management. As cruel as this may sound, they are probably better off starting over somewhere else. Instead of taking the cut and wasting a couple more years, while management squanders more profits. In a couple of years they would be in the unemployment line anyway. I will never except a pay cut. I wouldn't expect Teamster negotiators to either. Teamster Elvis out....
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06-15-2008, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JenBrady7 Has anyone found anything from PTS on why they shut the doors? Ask a PTS driver. I'm sure they might have a different story. From what I've heard the teamsters sent some goons to one of the terminals that refused to strike. | Maybe you should return to your hokey sit-com, Jen Brady. Because you are making a complete a$$ of yourself here. TE out....
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06-15-2008, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JenBrady7 As I said in earlier posts I've been in this business for 10 years and around it for 25. In that time I have gotten to know quite a few people. And the reliable source is the actual union steward from the terminal. Thank you | Translation: My daddy owns the company. I am 25 yrs. old. I have been working in the office for daddy for 10 yrs. You know. Ever since I graduated from high school. I heard a lot of bad stuff in the office about them nasty Teamsters. They actually wanted high pay and benefits and stuff. OH MY GOD!!! And like, a pension, or something like that. Daddy is like, really like, bugged about it all. He couldn't give me that BMW that he promised me until he gets rid of them Teamsters. My trip to Hawaii has been put on hold and everything!!! TE out....
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