Why not leave the old pins in? That's like leaving the old oil filters on an engine during a service. The customers are paying for brake jobs, not just shoe replacements. I've left old pins in before when it's a service call on the side of the road. My first priority in that situation is to get the heck off the road ASAP. Sometimes it has to be a shoe replacement to reduce the risk of being run over by some teenage girl yakking away on her cell phone. Anywere not it traffic, or at the shop, the pins and bushings get replaced. If I replace the pins and bushings (anti-seize being used of course) it means they'll come out that much easier for the next guy. We have a guy in our shop who won't replace them unless he can push them out with his finger. The last trailer he did a brake job on, got run through a super trooper inspection. The top of the shoes were sticking out of the drums by about 1/2". The pins were worn and were letting the shoes rock back and forth a bit. I like shortcuts, but not if it affects the quality of the work.

well sounds like ya'll got all of the ways i know how to get them out

Well you don't want to leave the old pins in place for a couple of reasons. The pin does wear out and seize in time and grooves can be present on the ends thus allowing the brake shoe to not make full contact with the drum. The other senerio is the ends of the rollers or pins flatten out enough to allow the shoe to stick out of the drum and wear the brake components out prematurely. It is always best to replace the pins when conducting a brake job because look at it this way: If you are working in a flat rate shop would you want to do another brake job on the same unit for free?